How the hell can Superman beat Silver Surfer?

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Originally posted by abhilegend Zeus was amped. Hercules still oneshotted him. And Galactus was hungry. That's his standard level in most comics.

My position is Galactus is mostly portrayed as skyfather level. Get mad kid if comics support that.

Shuma is an elder god and above Galactus as shown in Thanos Imperative.

And ultimate nullifier isn't a plot device, eh?

Yes, to celestials who were considered above Galactus.

Yes, I do. But those portrayals of celestials is an anomaly these days.

You're unsurprisingly using contradictory logic. In one post you state the Celestials are not as they were once portrayed, as succeeding beings in the cosmic hierarchy. That is true. Yet in another post you mention Ego like a belittled character. Ego, like the Celestials, is himself not as he was once portrayed (Ego defeated 2 Celestials in battle). Don't bring Ego to me laughing at the caliber of Galactus' opponent in Ultimates while crying about how the Celestials have been depowered.

Doesn't change the FACT that Odin has never beaten, much less killed, any Celestials on his own power in a direct confrontation.

And Galactus was amped on four planets. What's your point?

Galactus with Amp = dead celestial
Odin with Amp, 1000 years prep, council of Godheads, all of Asgard backing him, the Unimind (immaterial, though still present) = Ziran's severed arm.

Is that clear to you? It better be. It's quite simple.

Unless amped externally.

I'm not even arguing about Lifebringer.

Except it isn't. Loeb ignoring continuity isn't proof in on itself. Galactus has shat himself by reed showing him a fake ultimate nullifier in the past.

If it was created by him, he would've known it was his own creation.

Yes really. Considering Galactus was never shown or stated to be weakened, it does matters.

Meanwhile, in the modern day, Jane Thor is a match for Odin (current showing).

Odin wasn't losing the TP fight. They were evenly matched.

Galactus was KTFO while Odin was still awake and talking. That's losing a fight son. Get mad.

Oh, and Galactus got up first. After not attacking. While Odin ran to get some amps, because...he needed amps.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Yes, because of my reply.

You can always dream about it if you like.

It was a question and answer on a forum that was shut down. If you were actually interested in this source material when it was published, you'd have known. You can't hide that you only read this through scans for debating purposes.

Its shut down and has no answers. That's all that matters.

I don't quite trust you and your word.

Because he answered a plethora of questions. Were you even into comics when CBR was on its original server?

How is that relevant? And yes I was. The server shutdown was in 2014.

Wrong again.

Do yourself a favor. Download Annhiliation Heralds of Galactus. Read issue 1.

What for? Galactus saying Thanos' treachery has weakened him?

Are you seriously this dense?

He explicitly states that his imprisonment left him with a deeper hunger, even after he had consumed those capsules at the end of Annhiliation #6.

No, the blast he let out in Annihilation 6 managed to do that. Are you denying that those cylinders had the power of several destroyed planets?

That's why he needs 2 heralds by the end of Annihilation. Or did you think they just needed to publicize a D list character like Stardust more.

Yes, the blast he let out in anger totally drained him. Not the imprisonment.

You need to reread the series again if you think that's the point of appointing second herald.

your knowledge of the source matter is rubbish.

Your entire knowledge is rubbish. See, trash talking is easy.

It's a stand alone issue with no other actors in it aside from Mephisto and Galactus, who were "shaking the firmament" with their battle. It was meant to be a story with Biblical connotations (firmament specifically being a word used to connote heavens in the Biblical/religious context).

So Galactus was God, eh?

Korvac and Starhawk also shook all reality. Superboy Prime fractured entire time and space.

These are not some outlandish feats. And Stan Lee has written Mephisto before and he was never meant to be Satan.

Superman can never be conflated with Jesus, as much as you would want.

You can't read, can you?

LOL. You're as bad as colossus big c.

You are as bad as masterbruce? Is that the appropriate insult?

Odin talks nonsense and then he enters the Odinsleep while Galactus gets up.

Yes, he did not have the stamina to fight Galactus after taking him out. That doesn't means he didn't KTFO Galactus first.

[b]The fight doesn't end with Odin talking. After Galactus leaves, Odin accedes to the fact that he could NOT best Galactus under his own power ("I could not continue braining that monster"😉.

That does not means what you think it means. He didn't have the stamina to fight Galactus after the first round.

That is a hilarious way to warp the context.

The story CONFIRMS Odin's inferiority because he [b]needs to get an AMP (the Destroyer armor, same armor he entered to fight the 4th Celestial Host) and summons mjolnir (non-standard weaponry) to make a final stand.

That story confirms Odin's superiority first by having Galactus KTFO with his one physical attack and Odin still conscious.

See, that's how it is done. Not by using strawman logic.

Odin fought Thor in destroyer armor here.

He even brought Odinsword which he never did against Galactus. Thor>Galactus confirmed, eh?

The fight ONLY ends when Galactus withdraws-because the seed was no longer accessible/no longer in Asgard meaning further conflict was pointless.

And ran away from Destroyer by your logic.

Its hilarious how you sailed over the fact that Galactus was KTFO in one shot by Odin and Odin was still conscious while Galactus was eating dirt.

There's no speech bubble for Galactus after he falls because there's no point in having Galactus speak the equivalent of "Surfer, the seed is the last hope, do something about it while I pass out from attacking my opponent, who seems to be getting up before I do"

That's the most atrocious reasoning I've ever seen.

Galactus was koed. He fell from space and was shown koed.

You can't just wiggle your way out of that.

It was his best, most desperate move in that fight. Did you read the comic? He admitted he was losing the TP battle and couldn't last any further. He needed to desperately disengage and take Galactus out for good.

Can you share the scan where he said that was losing the TP battle? And it was his best, most desperate move?

HE FAILED.

He koed Galactus. That's a funny way of failing.

You're like 15. You didn't even read the comic, or did you purposely not post the rest of the scans as the fight continued.

Yes, the fight continued. But round 1 went to Odin. Galactus never beat Odin. Odid did.

That's a win for Odin against Galactus as much it chafes you.

You really are a kid.

Oh here comes the grandparent.

When comics get made, a render is made according to a story board from the writer.

The render is then inked,and penciled over. The page I posted, which is hanging on my wall, is the page that is formerly submitted to Marvel's color matching and layout department to produce the [u[final[/u] published image. The point is I have the original art used to publish that page in hand, you just have a copy of a scan of the published page from a comic

I don't give a shit if its the writer himself providing that page. What's published is the only thing that matters.

you have no basis to tell me what is and is not intended by the artist, since I own the actual art that is portrayed in the comic, free from any sort of coloring or shadowing distortion.

Yes, I do. Its called the actual published comic.

Like a 10 year old boy telling a paleontologist how to accurately determine the age of a fossil.

You are the ten year old boy I presume?

Your statements are baseless and lack insight. You obviously have never been in a fight (and let's face it, artists draw fights (even among cosmic entities)- at it's most basic level-to mirror a physical confrontation between two human beings).

Yes, of course. I've never been in a fight with Galactus.

So you are reduced to assuming how artists tend to draw instead of you know any actual evidence?

Unless you're going to argue that you would try to hit someone with your forearm. And not your fist. Only your forearm. Then you'd have a point. As you're down on the ground and the point is made for you.

That's Tenebrous's attack kid. One page before Galactus attacked him the same way.

Or...you could be BRACING against the attack with your forearm, which fairly typical in trying to block, parry, or DEFLECT a strike to the face or head or chest. Wonder why Galactus is using his forearm, and not his HAND, which he uses in the immediate preceding page to ATTACK Tenebrous.

So he is using a circular energy attack on Tenebrous on the previous page but circular shield one page later? That's another funny way to warp what happened in the comic. But its expected at this point.

I mean, don't make me post the original comic art for that shit too.

Oh no, how will I defend myself over something not even published?

Try something which I even care about kid.

Doesn't change the fact that it's in his character. There are more instances. I don't have the scans anymore.

You can tell me issue number and I will post it for you. You can always post the original art for it though. That'll always work.

And Odin using force fields? Please.

Why not? Odin can't make force fields now?

As if Galactus even attacked him the entire fight. I mean that would have made it more interesting, don't you think. There's no reason for Odin to use shields against an attack from Galactus that Fraction never wrote...that's why I find this "fight" so laughable.

He can make a shield to increase his durability. Just like a green lantern.

But only Galactus gets the doubt of not creating a shield, eh?

1. Galactus never attacked at all
2. Galactus still gets up first [quote]

Galactus was KTFO. Odin was still conscious. Its funny how you keep lying about what's on page.

[quote]3. Odin ran to get amps.
4. Afterwards, he's crying to Thor that he can't stand...HE CAN'T STAND!!! LOL.

Galactus was still KTFO while Odin was talking. How are you going to delete that from the comic? By original art I presume?

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
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Galactus is explicitly depowered for most appearances. You want to get a mod's opinion on whether the "correct" Galactus to use is the most frequently depicted (hungry/starving) or the one operating on standard levels (per forum rules, which for Galactus is neither hungry nor "full power"😉, then go ahead.

If Galactus is hungry in most appearances, that's his default state. Its like saying Superman in most appearances is depowered because he is not sundipped.

There's nothing to get mad at. I sign on here to get amused, and for now, you're the amusement. Why would I sign on here to "get mad" since you keep spouting the same juvenile feces?

You seem to be quite mad though and shouting nonsense. Don't worry, losing to me does that to people.

and strange calls upon agamotto's powers to confront beings like Shuma

Strange has never beaten or even come close to that by calling on Agamotto. Entire Vishanti was never able to do so, they fought him to draw.

http://i.imgur.com/gnwjni3.jpg

Agamotto was never able to beat Shuma.

http://i.imgur.com/6KAtCP6.jpg

But Shuma is already shown above Galactus in power in Thanos Imperative and he is merely an Elder God.

That was never my point. Odin needs a plot device to "defeat" Celestials while Galactus does it with his own power.

An enchantment from Odin is not his own power, eh?

And Galactus was amped on four planets. Remember?

Galactus' plot device beats the abstract embodiment of Destruction, Odin's beats a bunch of no-name Celestials. Back to my original question: what is the most powerful enchantment of Odin's???

Galactus has never been stated to be the creator of UN.

His insignificant enchantment killed celestials which Galactus needed four planets to do that.

You can't even say the UN is strictly tech since Galactus clearly states it's "as much a part of me as my heart itself" so rather it's an aspect or indirect application of Galactus' power, much like an enchantment from Odin is.

That is just one of nonsense from Loeb. UN has never been a part of Galactus. Galactus once ran away from a fake UN. But since you like Loeb's nonsense so much, here is Galactus saying Grandmaster rivals him in power.

Grandmaster is now an abstract too, eh? We are talking about personal power here.

You're unsurprisingly using contradictory logic. In one post you state the Celestials are not as they were once portrayed, as succeeding beings in the cosmic hierarchy. That is true. Yet in another post you mention Ego like a belittled character. Ego, like the Celestials, is himself not as he was once portrayed (Ego defeated 2 Celestials in battle).

Ego defeated two celestials in 616 reality? Are you ****ing serious here?

Ego has been efeated by BRB, Nova, Thor and ****ing Rom the space kinght. He is one of the most jobbed out character out there.

Don't bring Ego to me laughing at the caliber of Galactus' opponent in Ultimates while crying about how the Celestials have been depowered.

Why not?

Doesn't change the FACT that Odin has never beaten, much less killed, any Celestials on his own power in a direct confrontation.

An enchantment from Odin is not his own power?

That's just funny.

You're clearly dim. Odin was AMPED with the destroyer armor and had thousand+ years of prep with the ENTIRE council of gods. He LOST. Galactus was amped and prepped for what, 1 or 2 days? And he KILLED a Celestial in direct battle.

Nevermind the fact that Celestials have been nerfed since then. Heck, nearly entire celstial race was wiped out by Godkiller armor just recently with billions of Celestials killed.

Galactus with Amp = dead celestial
Odin with Amp, 1000 years prep, council of Godheads, all of Asgard backing him, the Unimind (immaterial, though still present) = Ziran's severed arm.

It really isn't registering with you, eh? Celestials have been nerfed since then.

Is that clear to you? It better be. It's quite simple.

You seem to be quite mad. How are you going to retcon away the letter page where it is clearly established that Celestials are on another level compared to Galactus in those days and now they are on the same level as Galactus.

Hint: You can't.

[b]Except Lifebringer isn't externally amped. He was simply placed back into his incubation chamber (his own tech) to let the original process continue.

He is amped by Iso 8 which was given to him as well.

It isn't normal Galactus by any means.

It's been retconned that had Galactus not been prematurely released from his chamber by the warring factions in planetary orbit, the 616 Galactus would have been Lifebringer this whole time. If you don't like the retcon, deal with it.

And he is much more powerful than Devourer Galactus. Deal with that too.

Yeah, you were.

No, I wasn't.

Except it is. You disagreeing with on panel evidence is totally irrelevant.

Like you talking about anything?

Even as recently as the Fantastic Four arc where Black Panther puts surfer in an armbar, McDuffy himself admitted to a continuity error when he forgot to state the Ultimate Nullifier belongs to Galactus. Don't like the retcon, deal with it.

Belongs to Galactus? Yes. Is literally a part of him? Never been so and never been stated again. Deal with it.

So going in line with your "character x has been written down in power levels over the decades" (since that is when that godblast feat occurred) Thor drives off Galactus, who had just fought Ego, with his powerful attack.

What are you even talking about now? Galactus is written down in power now?

Meanwhile, in the modern day, Jane Thor is a match for Odin (current showing).

She is also a match for phoenix force and shit like that.

Read the comic again son. Good thing I don't have scans, so you can actually go through the difficulty of trying to support your claim and then be proven wrong away from the computer.

You should read it for the first time kid. It actually helps to read it first.

I'm getting amused. Galactus didn't even attack the whole fight. The only engagement they had, the TP battle, Odin was whimpering to his son that he didn't have the stamina to last in the TP battle.

Galactus was KTFO. Odin was still talking.

Odin won. Get over it already.

Oh, and Galactus got up first. After not attacking. While Odin ran to get some amps, because...he needed amps. [/B]

Galactus was KTFO. Odin was still talking.

How many times you need to be reminded before you acknowledge that, eh?

Originally posted by abhilegend

Bump

He cant.

I'd be interested in this as well.

The popular argument a decade ago was Surfer would just drain Supes or blast him with radiation.

Originally posted by Bentley
By punching I'm guessing.

Lmao the question is great. It’s not asking who you think is more likely to win a fight, per se, but *how* a bloodlusted Supes beats a bloodlusted SS. There are a few ways for sure.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Surfer has surprisingly weak blasting power. Nothing Superman couldnt rush through to knock him out.

This is often over looked, his blasts are lack luster.

Originally posted by NemeBro
When first post is best post.

Superman is faster, greater reflexes and perceptions, and stronger.
Superman just hits Surfer with a punch or just HV him with a temperature beyond what Surfer ever encountered.

Surfer isn't even close to being on Superman's level.

Superman was multiple times more powerful than Surfer while weakened by half.

Now? Its a joke.

Superman would just give him a concussion and call it a day before taking Surfer to Los Santos' hospital.

Originally posted by h1a8
or just HV him with a temperature beyond what Surfer ever encountered.

Hes gonna beat him via Heat Vision? Really?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Hes gonna beat him via Heat Vision? Really?

Superman can one-shot Surfer with HV, easily.

I honestly can’t tell if you’re trolling. Surfer shrugs off much worse than heat vision. It’s possible he loses via physical attack sure but heat vision? Easily?

Originally posted by carver9
He cant.

How can you possibly think that man.

You don't think Superman can repeat this:

Thanos' fists.

Amped with cosmic energy.

Of course Surfer felt that.

Ka-El is nothing in comparison, just some hobo from a farm wearing somebody's red underwear.

Originally posted by Damborgson
How can you possibly think that man.

You don't think Superman can repeat this:

Thought Surfer became more powerful since then?