How the hell can Superman beat Silver Surfer?

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Antiphon was incarcerated by Galactus and died in jail. It was a Watcher that was vaporized in the blast. Your memory is wrong.

Incorrect. Antiphon was killed AFTER Kyln was destroyed by Annihilation wave and there was no mention of the "being" killed being a watcher.

Furthermore, Galactus was amped by energy from a lot of destroyed planets.

There's no debate about this at all. There are no "stalemates across decades."

So he hasn't been stalemated by the likes of Mephisto, Agamotto, Ego, Odin and beaten by Zeus slightly amped by Chaos King who immediately got his shit pushed in by Hercules?

You need to revise history quite a bit to think Galactus was above skyfather level all the time.

The burden of proof is on you. Galactus has the feats. Odin can't hang with Celestials after a thousand years of prep.

Those celestials were above Galactus too. They have been watered down later on.

The most recent hierarchy by Starlin showed Galactus at skyfather level only.

Even Lifebringer is going to fight Ego next month.

Nothing in his possession or in Asgard has been shown to have the capability to reset the multiverse.

So are we talking about personal power or technology? Because then Reed will triumph over all.

And he has already bitched Galactus.

Odin battled Thanos for pages with Asgard being wrecked all over.

Galactus was twoshotted by Zeus who was immediately Wrecked by Hercules.

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Hercules wasn't even full fledged skyfather at that point.

He was also in danger of being killed by Thor.

Guess he is even below skyfather level, huh?

Ridiculous claim.

Yeah, and the Galactus wanking isn't ridiculous at all?

Originally posted by abhilegend

Galactus was twoshotted by Zeus who was immediately Wrecked by Hercules.

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Galactus was starving.

Silver Surfer said that he wasn't fed in the page you didn't post before Zeus attacked him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]Incorrect. Antiphon was killed AFTER Kyln was destroyed by Annihilation wave and there was no mention of the "being" killed being a watcher.

Totally wrong. Antiphon was dead for quite some time. Andy Schmidt (editor of annihilation) confirmed the being in the panel was a watcher. Read the event, you clearly haven't.

Furthermore, Galactus was amped by energy from a lot of destroyed planets.

And he was starving and before that after confronting tenebrous and aegis, who are both in the realm of his power.

So he hasn't been stalemated by the likes of Mephisto, Agamotto, Ego, Odin and beaten by Zeus slightly amped by Chaos King who immediately got his shit pushed in by Hercules?

Mephisto in that stand alone story was written above his average portrayals. The battle "shook the firmament" which is something that never happens with mephisto.

Odin ****ing got knocked out hitting Galactus with his all while Galactus literally just stood there and tanked the headbutt without any shields, written by Fraction in Thors own book. I'm not spending time showing Galactus using shields during his fights. That's pretty much understood.

Galactus was starving when he faced chaos king Zeus and when he was shocked when Zeus didn't die after an eye blast. Meaning he was confident that even in his State he could get rid of Zeus un amped.

You mean gaea enhanced multiversal Hercules?

stop arguing that agamotto is sky father level. Are you saying strange is herald level? Galactus stalemated agamotto in his own realm.

Those celestials were above Galactus too. They have been watered down later on.

Except Galactus killed one after a simple buffet lunch while Odin's best feat was cutting off Ziran's arm in a custom built armor amp built with 1000 years of prep

The most recent hierarchy by Starlin showed Galactus at skyfather level only.

Even Lifebringer is going to fight Ego next month.

He's fighting Ego in ultimates and the dark Celestials again after ego. Guess we already know how the ego fight goes down

So are we talking about personal power or technology? Because then Reed will triumph over all.

Reed is irrelevant (reed doesn't understand Galactus' tech... this has been established many times). Does Odin use tech? No. Odin has magic and Galactus has science/tech. The most powerful tech from Galactus is the UN. What has Odin's magic enchanted that's equally as powerful?

Galactus was twoshotted by Zeus who was immediately Wrecked by Hercules.

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Hercules wasn't even full fledged skyfather at that point.

already addressed.

And he's KO'd Thor by passing gas from his hands. Why are you bothering to bring up Thor????

Guess he is even below skyfather level, huh?

Yeah, and the Galactus wanking isn't ridiculous at all?

AKA "my DC bias means I'm going to lowball all characters I don't like cause it's easy"

I mean this is the same Odin who made Jane Thor look good

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Totally wrong. Antiphon was dead for quite some time.

Is that so? The only hint was given that he was killed after Kyln was destroyed.

Andy Schmidt (editor of annihilation) confirmed the being in the panel was a watcher. Read the event, you clearly haven't.

Link for this confirmation?

Of course, I haven't read the story. That's the only plausible answer for all that.

And he was starving and before that after confronting tenebrous and aegis, who are both in the realm of his power.

Did that somehow negated his amp?

Mephisto in that stand alone story was written above his average portrayals. The battle "shook the firmament" which is something that never happens with mephisto.

Hahaha, really? Collateral damage is showing of power now?

Are you claiming Mephisto was some kind of abstract in that story?

Odin ****ing got knocked out hitting Galactus with his all while Galactus literally just stood there and tanked the headbutt without any shields, written by Fraction in Thors own book.

You just forgot to mention that Galactus was KTFO and Odin woke up earlier.

But yeah, Galactus looked so superior to Odin there.

I'm not spending time showing Galactus using shields during his fights. That's pretty much understood.

When has Galactus used shields to protect himself?

No it is not.

Galactus was starving when he faced chaos king Zeus and when he was shocked when Zeus didn't die after an eye blast. Meaning he was confident that even in his State he could get rid of Zeus un amped.

Except that was just his bravado. Hercules oneshotted the same Zeus one page later.

Guess Hercules was already an abstract?

You mean gaea enhanced multiversal Hercules?

That happened later. At that point he was only given power by Amadeus Cho.

Try to keep up.

stop arguing that agamotto is sky father level.

Eh, what? Agamotto is skyfather level at best.

Are you saying strange is herald level? Galactus stalemated agamotto in his own realm.

Yes, Strange is herald at average.

Yes, skyfather level showing.

Except Galactus killed one after a simple buffet lunch while Odin's best feat was cutting off Ziran's arm in a custom built armor amp built with 1000 years of prep

And Thor killed dozens of celestials with a little enchantment from Odin. Celestials aren't what they used to be.

Thor 305 explicitly said celestials were above Galactus. Now they are equal to Galactus and Odin.

irrelevant. starlin doesn't even write anything for marvel aside from one off Thanos stories (which are now finished, along with his contract with marvel) and anything he wrote in those thanos books is now superceded by ultimates which is establishing the "most recent" cosmic hierarchy that takes place in contemporary marvel.

Which has Galactus evolved to his most powerful form.

Not regular Galactus. But nice to know you will just ignore anything you don't like.

He's fighting Ego in ultimates and the dark Celestials again after ego. Guess we already know how the ego fight goes down

Yes, we will see.

Reed is irrelevant (reed doesn't understand Galactus' tech... this has been established many times). Does Odin use tech? No. Odin has magic and Galactus has science/tech. The most powerful tech from Galactus is the UN. What has Odin's magic enchanted that's equally as powerful?

Has Galactus made ultimate nullifier from his own power for that to be relevant?

This is about personal power, not tech.

already addressed.

You don't say.

And he's KO'd Thor by passing gas from his hands. Why are you bothering to bring up Thor????

Does that negates that Galactus ran like a ***** from Thor?

in your mind, but that doesn't really matter to me what you think in your mind.

And comics. Galactus creator considered him equal to Odin.

And its consistent across decades.

AKA "my DC bias means I'm going to lowball all characters I don't like cause it's easy"

Yeah man, it's not like Krona shitstomped Galactus or something. Why need to even lowball such a puny character.

I mean this is the same Odin who made Jane Thor look good

And this is same Galactus who ran from Thor and made Doom look good when Beyonder blasted them both and Doom woke up earlier than Galactus.

To answer the question of the thread:

By being stronger and faster, kombo-to-ko and by being able to tank Surfers best blasts and resist a drain or kradiation long enough to combo-to-ko him.

You forgot tvo his shinny butt, singing his chrome dome out of existence and cutting also surfer from the CP by using HV microvaves or Ionizing the air around him.

Yes, don't get mad at me. It happened on marvel comics
Firestar messes up terrax by affecting the microwaves around him
Reed richards cut Galactus of the CP by ionizing the air molecules arouns him and Nebula defeated SS by altering the SS synapses.

If anyone has a problem with that go and place your complain with Marvel comics. I am just the messanger.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You forgot tvo his shinny butt, singing his chrome dome out of existence and cutting also surfer from the CP by using HV microvaves or Ionizing the air around him.

Yes, don't get mad at me. It happened on marvel comics
Firestar messes up terrax by affecting the microwaves around him
Reed richards cut Galactus of the CP by ionizing the air molecules arouns him and Nebula defeated SS by altering the SS synapses.

If anyone has a problem with that go and place your complain with Marvel comics. I am just the messanger.

Is it CP or PC? I always forget how it is worded.

Power Cosmic or Cosmic Power

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is that so? The only hint was given that he was killed after Kyln was destroyed.

wrong. Tenebrous breaks open the kyln prison in Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus#2, which obviously takes place after Annihilation 6. Antiphon could not have be killed by the annihilation wave when Tenebrous breaks open his undamaged cell and finds a desiccated body. Like I said, you haven't read it.

Link for this confirmation?

http://www.cbr.com/keith-giffen-andy-schmidt-answer-your-annihilation-questions-part-1/

He answered it in the question and answer forum, which is now shut down with the server move. Among other questions answered: Silver Surfer is able to free Galactus from Thanos' machine because he is able to synthesize Thanos' energy output, thus tricking the machine into thinking that Thanos authorized Galactus to be freed.

Did that somehow negated his amp?

That "amp" is his catching up on all the energy that would normally have gone straight to his consumption. Energy that he didn't have because he was imprisoned after the aforementioned fight.

Are you telling me that if you get imprisoned and starved for 30 days, that after eating on the 31st day you're "amped?" Ok.

Hahaha, really? Collateral damage is showing of power now?

Are you claiming Mephisto was some kind of abstract in that story?

You just forgot to mention that Galactus was KTFO and Odin woke up earlier.

No kid, he didn't. Odin was still on his back when Galactus reformed. He couldn't even STAND without complaining to Thor that he couldn't sit up.

you're trolling

But yeah, Galactus looked so superior to Odin there.

When has Galactus used shields to protect himself?

No it is not.

(I'm posting this image instead of the actual scan, because the pencil drawing clearly shows a shield around Galactus' whole body. That, and I own this page in question, which shows that Galactus has damaged Tenebrous, which is lost in the actual comic art scan)

same battle, a few panels later. Clearly using the shield on his arm to brace the attack.

I don't have my scans anymore. Galactus the Devourer clearly shows him using his shields while Thor, etc. can't affect him.

Except that was just his bravado. Hercules oneshotted the same Zeus one page later.

Guess Hercules was already an abstract?

That happened later. At that point he was only given power by Amadeus Cho.

Eh, what? Agamotto is skyfather level at best.

Yes, Strange is herald at average.

Yes, skyfather level showing.

And Thor killed dozens of celestials with a little enchantment from Odin. Celestials aren't what they used to be.

Which has Galactus evolved to his most powerful form.

Not regular Galactus. But nice to know you will just ignore anything you don't like.

nice to know you will just ignore board rules

Has Galactus made ultimate nullifier from his own power for that to be relevant?

This is about personal power, not tech.

Does that negates that Galactus ran like a ***** from Thor?

And comics. Galactus creator considered him equal to Odin.

Wrong again:

My inspirations were the fact that I had to make sales. And I had to come up with characters that were no longer stereotypes. ...I had to get something new. And ... for some reason, I went to the Bible. And I came up with Galactus. And there I was in front of this tremendous figure, who I knew very well, because I always felt him, and I certainly couldn't treat him the same way that I would any ordinary mortal ... and of course the Silver Surfer is the fallen angel. ...[T]hey were figures that have never been used before in comics. They were above mythic figures, and of course, they were the first gods

Jack Kirby explicitly created them to be above "mythic figures" which, if you bothered to know your comics history, were only Thor and Odin at that juncture, and Odin was portrayed as the most powerful being in Marvel up to that point. How can Galactus (and SS) be "the first gods" when Odin and Thor already existed at that point? That is because Kirby and Stan Lee explicitly designed Galactus to be inherently beyond Odin and set the new definition of what it means to be a "god," making him the "first god"

Go ahead and contradict their words now.

And its consistent across decades.

Yeah man, it's not like Krona shitstomped Galactus or something. Why need to even lowball such a puny character.

And this is same Galactus who ran from Thor and made Doom look good when Beyonder blasted them both and Doom woke up earlier than Galactus.

The same doom who was hiding behind Galactus when Beyonder unleashed his blast,
same Doom who used Galactus' tech to steal Beyonder's power,
same Doom who attacked Beyonder with Galactus' power
same Doom who with Galactus' power said he could slay Thor and all the other heroes if he wanted
same Doom who had the power of the Cosmic Cube said his might was still a fraction of Galactus' power

It's not Antiphon. He is being lifted directly out of the Kyln and the Watcher that is killed is reduced to a skeleton. Plus, the Watcher has a beard and doesn't have Antiphon's markings nor attire.

I don't know where he pulls that notion from. But even if it is, what difference does that make? The implication is that Antiphon is like Watcher Prime. He is a proemial being and it is doubtful that he would be below a Watcher; probably above:

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II

(I'm posting this image instead of the actual scan, because the pencil drawing clearly shows a shield around Galactus' whole body.

Could you post the final, coloured page, too?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because that's her powers. She kicked a guy in the face just on the page before that and somehow failed to even kill him with hulk level strength?

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Captain-Universe/Issue-X-23?id=110254

Don't make me laugh.

Yes, and it made her what, Cap level in strength?

http://imgur.com/a/rPUpB

Hold on, we are talking about X 23 or not? Sue never even said that she was stronger.

The Uni-Power stated it's bonding with her had given her "additional new powers".

Do you know what invisible force field means?

Is that so?

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Captain-Universe/Issue-Daredevil?id=110250

They were hurting him with kicks and he had to slip through chains instead of breaking them.

Way to go hulk level Daredevil.

What are you trying to tell us here? That Surfer is more durable than Angrir because he was cheapshotted by a summoned mjolnir?

You're placing specific emphasis of the fact the it was a "summoned Mjolnir" that dropped Angrir, just to be clear, are you implying that a summoned Mjolnir is more potent than a directly thrown Mjolnir?

Uh, again what's your argument here? That Thor's headbutt is more powerful than his hammer strikes?

That was after they landed on Mars.

Yes, and his only attack worth anything comes from summoning mjolnir through Angrir chest which he didn't do against Surfer.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
wrong. Tenebrous breaks open the kyln prison in Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus#2, which obviously takes place after Annihilation 6. Antiphon could not have be killed by the annihilation wave when Tenebrous breaks open his undamaged cell and finds a [B]desiccated body. Like I said, you haven't read it.

Ok, I stand corrected. Not because of your reply but because the story does not mentions that the killed being WAS antiphon.

But it hardly matters, even Nova and Annihilus survived the same attack. That random no name watcher was just, cannon fodder. And that for an amped Galactus.

http://www.cbr.com/keith-giffen-andy-schmidt-answer-your-annihilation-questions-part-1/

He answered it in the question and answer forum, which is now shut down with the server move.

So no proof? Good to know.

Among other questions answered: Silver Surfer is able to free Galactus from Thanos' machine because he is able to synthesize Thanos' energy output, thus tricking the machine into thinking that Thanos authorized Galactus to be freed.

And why is that relevant here?

That "amp" is his catching up on all the energy that would normally have gone straight to his consumption. Energy that he didn't have because he was imprisoned after the aforementioned fight.

So? One planet restores him at full power. Any more and he is amped.

Are you telling me that if you get imprisoned and starved for 30 days, that after eating on the 31st day you're "amped?" Ok.

That was some rubbish. Galactus gets at full power on one planet. Any more than that and he is amped.

The point is Mephisto was clearly written up to literally be the embodiment of Satan in that story.

You clearly don't know what "clearly" means. Where is it even remotely stated?

Symbolism isn't proof. Superman isn't jesus after all despite all the poses.

No kid, he didn't. Odin was still on his back when Galactus reformed. He couldn't even STAND without complaining to Thor that he couldn't sit up.

No son, you were schooled on this even before. Let me refresh your memory.

you're trolling

You are simply bitching and moaning.

Sounds like you're mad. Galactus literally didn't even need to move a finger and still stood up before Odin, who had just delivered his best attack.

Mad? Not even close.

Heh, a headbutt is Odin's best move? And Galactus was KTFO.

Straight up lying, eh? Odin was still awake when Galactus was eating dirt. Get mad kid.

http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_53060/subcat_105984/Annihilation24.jpg

(I'm posting this image instead of the actual scan, because the pencil drawing clearly shows a shield around Galactus' whole body.

Holy shit, are you seriously trying to argue basing on an unfinished drawing?

This is new, even for a galactus fanboy.

That, and I own this page in question, which shows that Galactus has damaged Tenebrous, which is lost in the actual comic art scan)

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/53235/1070333-annihilation1_029.jpg

So no, Galactus didn't use a shield in the fight as shown in comic.

same battle, a few panels later. Clearly using the shield on his arm to brace the attack.

Not even close. That's an energy blast from Tenebrous and Galactus is shown using an energy blast of that size on the previous page as well.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tW3g8zCM6c0/TFeIvM56q-I/AAAAAAAAA74/ekpK9Nr0noo/s1600/ff+173+thing+vs+galactus.jpg

I don't have my scans anymore. Galactus the Devourer clearly shows him using his shields while Thor, etc. can't affect him.

Not really. But even if its there, its two showings out of hundreds. Hardly average for him. Lucky for Galactus, Odin didn't use his force fields either.

Two can play that game.

Doesn't change the fact that you tried to use a feat where zeus was explicitly amped and Galactus was explicitly weakened to support your position. Find something better.

Zeus was amped. Hercules still oneshotted him. And Galactus was hungry. That's his standard level in most comics.

My position is Galactus is mostly portrayed as skyfather level. Get mad kid if comics support that.

No, he's not.

Based on what exactly?

Are you saying Cytorrak is skyfather?

Calling him even a skyfather is a stretch given his lack of feats.

Shuma Gorath? wtf

Shuma is an elder god and above Galactus as shown in Thanos Imperative.

just a plot device.

And ultimate nullifier isn't a plot device, eh?

In direct confrontation Odin didn't do jack while amped with the destroyer armor.

Yes, to celestials who were considered above Galactus.

Aren't you always shouting about direct fights and the impact others have against the character they're fighting as the best barometer of capability?

Yes, I do. But those portrayals of celestials is an anomaly these days.

Or are you contradicting yourself now.

And Galactus was amped on four planets. What's your point?

aka board rules "current forms of the characters"

Unless amped externally.

nice to know you will just ignore board rules

I'm not even arguing about Lifebringer.

The utimate nullifier is an aspect of Galactus himself. Galactus' tech is as important to him as it is to reed. Odin is magic. Are you going to eliminate the enchantments he endows to various objects, like his celestial killing axe? It's the same allegory.

Except it isn't. Loeb ignoring continuity isn't proof in on itself. Galactus has shat himself by reed showing him a fake ultimate nullifier in the past.

If it was created by him, he would've known it was his own creation.

Doesn't matter son.

Of course it does.

A godblast after Galactus fought Ego? Really?

Yes really. Considering Galactus was never shown or stated to be weakened, it does matters.

Stop bringing thor into this, there's far more evidence of galactus casually dismissing thor when there are no external parties involved. The latest iteration of this is Thor blitzing Galactus while he and Odin were in a TP battle (which Odin was LOSING) and Galactus STILL got up first after a blitz from thor while in TP with Odin, and Odin's ultimate attack because he couldn't handle the TP battle any longer (his OWN WORDS).

Odin wasn't losing the TP fight. They were evenly matched.

Galactus was KTFO while Odin was still awake and talking. That's losing a fight son. Get mad.

Wrong again:

Jack Kirby explicitly created them to be above "mythic figures" which, if you bothered to know your comics history, were only Thor and Odin at that juncture, and Odin was portrayed as the most powerful being in Marvel up to that point. How can Galactus (and SS) be "the first gods" when Odin and Thor already existed at that point? That is because Kirby and Stan Lee explicitly designed Galactus to be inherently beyond Odin and set the new definition of what it means to be a "god," making him the "first god"

Then its good that Stan himself wrote that Galactus has power that rivals Odin.

windows 7 screenshot

Go ahead and contradict their words now.

I will just post the comic written and drawn by both Stan and Jack. Will that suffice?

Please pass the opium.

You mean you aren't already on opium?

Get that crossover shit out of here. Do we need to see scans again of Darkseid in his torn underwear on his knees before Galactus?

No, we just have to show Galctus getting his shit pushed in by a normal DC skyfather.

Art thou mad son?

JLA/Avengers is canon. The hunger isn't.

The same doom who was hiding behind Galactus when Beyonder unleashed his blast,

Wrong again.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Secret-Wars-1985/Issue-1?id=38642

Its clear you haven't read the story.

same Doom who used Galactus' tech to steal Beyonder's power,

And? Galactus got his power stolen by ****ing Klaw.

same Doom who attacked Beyonder with Galactus' power
same Doom who with Galactus' power said he could slay Thor and all the other heroes if he wanted

And?

same Doom who had the power of the Cosmic Cube said his might was still a fraction of Galactus' power [/B]

And the cube drained Galactus completely and then restored him back to life. Recently Galactus got resurrected by a portion of Shaper's power and destroyed as well. The same Doom said Black Bolt would've destroyed him if not for ear plugs lol.

Galactus gets lip service. Cubes do all the work.

Originally posted by Fiendish
I updated my imgur album to include scans of the more clear explanations of the Uni-Power's efforts at replicating the hero's powers, including the on panel confirmation that it was replicating their powers for future use with other hosts in Captain Universe/Daredevil.

http://imgur.com/a/rPUpB

You are not telling me anything I already don't know. Yes, it was cataloguing their powers. But no, it wasn't granting that power to the future hosts. That's not shown anywhere.

The quotation above my statement clearly indicated I was talking about Invisible Woman, it was directly in response to your "Sue was using her force fields to amp her strikes" claim, that's why I specifically quoted it.

The Uni-Power stated it's bonding with her had given her "additional new powers".

So why additional new powers instead of just saying it gave her claws, hulk's strength and whatnot? Where is that she was given Hulk's strength?

Her fields were clearly depicted by the artist every time they were used in that issue. What evidence do you have that she was using her fields in the manner you suggested.

What evidence do you have that she was given Hulk's strength when neither Daredevil or X-23 got it?

The commandos managing to hurt Daredevil at all (even if he was stunned) is a valid point but it doesn't change the fact that the Uni-Power explicitly confirmed it had replicated the Hulk's "immense power" when it bonded with him or that a future host easily tanked far worse punishment than that, without a scratch. The Uni-Power had already left Daredevil before he escaped the wire, it was very clearly shown.

Are you ****ing serious now? He states that he is not ready for the amplified senses and is still trapped in the wire.

For ****'s sake, he kicked a random thug in the face.

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The guy is still standing. Way to go Hulk level Daredevil.

Most of Thor's hammer throws against Surfer were cheapshots while his guard was down, so what relevance would that have?

Cheapshots? Only the first attack was a cheapshot. Rest all were seen by surfer.

You're placing specific emphasis of the fact the it was a "summoned Mjolnir" that dropped Angrir, just to be clear, are you implying that a summoned Mjolnir is more potent than a directly thrown Mjolnir?

Yes, if it wasn't clear by now. The enchantment on mjolnir is more powerful than Thor.

It's you that is placing emphasis on the headbutt when you use it as the definitive example as to why an opponent will overpower Surfer's durability, so it's your implication that it's more powerful than his hammer strikes.

Eh, what? I'm just saying its a clear sign of durability match between Thor and Surfer. Surfer was thrown around after getting hit by mjolnir. Thor just caught surfer and headbutted him to dent his forehead.

He was immobilized in that instance.

Throughout the arc Surfer beaned Thor in the back with his board like three separate times, all in a manner almost identical to his attack on BRB, yet he never ever capitalized on it like he did with BRB.

Because Thor didn't get stunned like BRB.

Thor's battle with Nul was one of the better showings he's had against Hulk, and it was an enhanced Hulk no less. He performed better with the World Tree wound (and exhausted) than he has in the past without it.

If you are trying to imply that Surfer is more powerful than Worthy Hulk and Thing, let's check how he does against Worthy Attuma who was weaker than both.

Hint: Not even close to what Thor did to Angrir.

Interestingly Tenebrous and Aegis are referred as Elder Gods and later it was revealed that ever since life was created they were weakened.

Which will put them in skyfather category and Galactus as well as both were equal to him.

Get mad Galactus fanboys. Also a skyfather twoshotted Surfer and cracked his skin like eggshells.

😂

Abhi you rapscallion.

1. Galactus is Skyfather tier. Abhi canon.

2. One throwaway caption mentioning Elder Gods have been
weakened since creation, automatically equals Skyfather tier,
because Galactus. (lovely coincidence) Abhi canon.

3. Using Abhi's scans, lol, Surfer gets cracked by an Elder God... and
survives. MARVEL canon.

Surfer surviving is an insane feat, regardless of his state of being.
Shows what Superman need to bring to the table.

Any scans for Abhi showing an Elder God at the level of Odin, the
premier skyfather?
Especially scans of Tenebrous and Aegis?

If Antiphon is Watcher prime/created the watchers, the Tenebrous and Aegis is Celestial Prime & Created the Celestials and so on

Originally posted by emu
Abhi you rapscallion.

1. Galactus is Skyfather tier. Abhi canon.

Marvel canon too.

2. One throwaway caption mentioning Elder Gods have been
weakened since creation, automatically equals Skyfather tier,
because Galactus. (lovely coincidence) Abhi canon.

And skyfathers being below Elder Gods doesn't means anything, eh? Never mind that Aegis got killed by Elder Gods in Thanos Imperative.

3. Using Abhi's scans, lol, Surfer gets cracked by an Elder God... and
survives. MARVEL canon.

Surfer surviving is an insane feat, regardless of his state of being.
Shows what Superman need to bring to the table.

Superman can run through power of elder gods.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14103453&highlight=disciple+Superman+elder+gods+userid%3A133437#post14103453

Puny beings like Surfer can't even measure.

Any scans for Abhi showing an Elder God at the level of Odin, the
premier skyfather?
Especially scans of Tenebrous and Aegis?

Speak English.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, I stand corrected. Not because of your reply but because the story does not mentions that the killed being WAS antiphon.

But it hardly matters, even Nova and Annihilus survived the same attack. That random no name watcher was just, cannon fodder. And that for an amped Galactus.

Yes, because of my reply.

So no proof? Good to know.

And why is that relevant here?

So? One planet restores him at full power. Any more and he is amped.

Do yourself a favor. Download Annhiliation Heralds of Galactus. Read issue 1.

He explicitly states that his imprisonment left him with a deeper hunger, even after he had consumed those capsules at the end of Annhiliation #6.
That's why he needs 2 heralds by the end of Annihilation. Or did you think they just needed to publicize a D list character like Stardust more.

That was some rubbish. Galactus gets at full power on one planet. Any more than that and he is amped.

You clearly don't know what "clearly" means. Where is it even remotely stated? Symbolism isn't proof. Superman isn't jesus after all despite all the poses.

No son, you were schooled on this even before. Let me refresh your memory.

LOL. You're as bad as colossus big c. Odin talks nonsense and then he enters the Odinsleep while Galactus gets up. The fight doesn't end with Odin talking. After Galactus leaves, Odin accedes to the fact that he could NOT best Galactus under his own power ("I could not continue braining that monster"😉. The story CONFIRMS Odin's inferiority because he [b]needs to get an AMP (the Destroyer armor, same armor he entered to fight the 4th Celestial Host) and summons mjolnir (non-standard weaponry) to make a final stand. The fight ONLY ends when Galactus withdraws-because the seed was no longer accessible/no longer in Asgard meaning further conflict was pointless.

There's no speech bubble for Galactus after he falls because there's no point in having Galactus speak the equivalent of "Surfer, the seed is the last hope, do something about it while I pass out from attacking my opponent, who seems to be getting up before I do"

Heh, a headbutt is Odin's best move? And Galactus was KTFO.

Straight up lying, eh? Odin was still awake when Galactus was eating dirt. Get mad kid.

Holy shit, are you seriously trying to argue basing on an unfinished drawing?

You really are a kid.

When comics get made, a render is made according to a story board from the writer.

The render is then inked,and penciled over. The page I posted, which is hanging on my wall, is the page that is formerly submitted to Marvel's color matching and layout department to produce the [u[final[/u] published image. The point is I have the original art used to publish that page in hand, you just have a copy of a scan of the published page from a comic

you have no basis to tell me what is and is not intended by the artist, since I own the actual art that is portrayed in the comic, free from any sort of coloring or shadowing distortion.

So no, Galactus didn't use a shield in the fight as shown in comic.

Not even close. That's an energy blast from Tenebrous and Galactus is shown using an energy blast of that size on the previous page as well.

Unless you're going to argue that you would try to hit someone with your forearm. And not your fist. Only your forearm. Then you'd have a point. As you're down on the ground and the point is made for you.

Or...you could be BRACING against the attack with your forearm, which fairly typical in trying to block, parry, or DEFLECT a strike to the face or head or chest. Wonder why Galactus is using his forearm, and not his HAND, which he uses in the immediate preceding page to ATTACK Tenebrous.

I mean, don't make me post the original comic art for that shit too.

Not really. But even if its there, its two showings out of hundreds. Hardly average for him. Lucky for Galactus, Odin didn't use his force fields either.

Two can play that game.

Doesn't change the fact that it's in his character. There are more instances. I don't have the scans anymore. And Odin using force fields? Please. As if Galactus even attacked him the entire fight. I mean that would have made it more interesting, don't you think. There's no reason for Odin to use shields against an attack from Galactus that Fraction never wrote...that's why I find this "fight" so laughable.

1. Galactus never attacked at all
2. Galactus still gets up first
3. Odin ran to get amps.
4. Afterwards, he's crying to Thor that he can't stand...HE CAN'T STAND!!! LOL.

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