Originally posted by TheHulkster
Darkseid specifically refers to them as his Elite Guard in the scene below and speaks of them as if his last line of defense (Sorry that I could not find a working link in English but you can see "Guarda De Elite"😉. That's the page before my previous scan that you reference.http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-E8YAexbAVLA/UvMZretLfdI/AAAAAAAA8jg/qP5BNMhUKnU/s1600/23.jpg
I'm not sure why you keep referencing pe-New 52. We now post-rebirth which, according to many, re-establishes a good portion of pre-New 52 history and eliminates much of New-52 history.
👆 and that scan confirms my point, that Darkseid willingly throws his troops (even the best ones) away like they are nothing.
I accept the point, that they are his elite troops, however.
Does all Earth tech qualify? Elite Wakandan troops stacking up to Doom/Starktech? I wager no. They are fodder.
Still not sure what you're trying to argue, however. That the blast wasn't all that, due to the survival of two named (not fodder) characters, one of whom is the Batman (who, as I have shown, even before his upgrades, was already, whilst half naked, injured and surprised, was able to take a beating from a bloodlusted GoW WW)?
And the reason I keep referencing pre/post 52, is because we have no idea yet still how things equate. What is canon, and what isn't. Did H/P Doomsday still rage across Apokolips, destroying DS' best? No idea.
So you can't use that showing as a reference guide for how durable Apokoliptian armour is. Even if you could, just because Doomsday smashed it, doesn't mean it's not durable.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Son, the board says no crossovers. Either way, you reference a being empowered enormously beyond normal by, unlike New 52 Anti-Monitor, actually absorbing numerous universes. That's like saying that normal humans are above Galactus because Owen Reese is capable of blinking him out of existence.
Owen is amped by Beyonders. Krona destroyed and absorbed the universes under his own power.
Glad you recognize that Galactus is a ***** of the Guardians.
And Keith Griffin is the architect of Annihilation. He wrote the prelude, the main book and the Silver Surfer related minis. He also wrote the Drax mini where Drax is changed and the last 6 issues of Thanos; all considered preludes to the event.
DnA wrote the Nova mini.
I'm still waiting for any feats from Giffen Galactus which shows he is above skyfather level.
Quote my earlier post and copy and paste the link to your address bar to see Namor being crushed before the water melts the gnome. Then you can resume crying and looking for Surfer being punched out by an elite top tier during combat.
Namor was out of water and wasn't getting crushed even then. Even Valkyrie survived more than one attack from them.
Even Thing has punched him out and Reed had to stop him before he gets killed.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/9T8KptE1S9vJ9OvBA2EjZSLyIXmz1U6i4L_0ej_IFES3QQg7Sr6_xamKtRBmzh6O_q18Mn9zuPgu=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/2Os-0JmYYg3pYfvSZJ5YgVVMCEpoirD9Ln_a3i9jfZGWRtye9Ny5z2Bzwj9fbpVrLcmOJgytsgMH=s1600
Heck some random humans in future koed him easily.
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I'm waiting for some more excuses.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
No it doesn't. Bits and pieces are being taken from both realities while some things are being discarded.
Just in this week Doomsday virus is mentioned which shows new 52 Doomsday is Canon.
Your attempts to undermine Superman is amusing.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Owen is amped by Beyonders. Krona destroyed and absorbed the universes under his own power.Glad you recognize that Galactus is a ***** of the Guardians.
I'm still waiting for any feats from Giffen Galactus which shows he is above skyfather level.
Namor was out of water and wasn't getting crushed even then. Even Valkyrie survived more than one attack from them.
Even Thing has punched him out and Reed had to stop him before he gets killed.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/9T8KptE1S9vJ9OvBA2EjZSLyIXmz1U6i4L_0ej_IFES3QQg7Sr6_xamKtRBmzh6O_q18Mn9zuPgu=s1600
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/2Os-0JmYYg3pYfvSZJ5YgVVMCEpoirD9Ln_a3i9jfZGWRtye9Ny5z2Bzwj9fbpVrLcmOJgytsgMH=s1600Heck some random humans in future koed him easily.
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I'm waiting for some more excuses.
Krona is amped by absorbing Universes.
Giffen's Galactus atomizes a Watcher collaterally, though the question is kind of silly. Galactus is established as above Skyfather level, thus it is up to you to prove that someone's portrayal is below that. Remember that it is Starlin who diminishes Galactus in the Thanos series.
Non-working links.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Krona is amped by absorbing Universes.
Under his own power.
Giffen's Galactus atomizes a Watcher collaterally, though the question is kind of silly.
That wasn't a watcher. That was Antiphon who was killed and shown later.
Galactus is established as above Skyfather level, thus it is up to you to prove that someone's portrayal is below that.
Remember that it is Starlin who diminishes Galactus in the Thanos series.
Under Starlin Galactus is diminished but not that level where Fallen one could kill him.
Giffen did that to him.
Non-working links.
Nice excuse.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why would that be relevant?
Because they are forgetting events that the reworking of history is eliminating.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Because they are forgetting events that the reworking of history is eliminating.
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Originally posted by TheHulksterThe reality is that both histories are true.
Because they are forgetting events that the reworking of history is eliminating.
For new52, Superman was split into 2, and his old history still existed to one, and the other had a new one.
One had the original JLA meeting, while the JLA also met anew, because years were stolen.
All is still true to continuity though, even as things begin to unwind back to its original shape. New52 still happened.
Originally posted by Juntai👆
The reality is that both histories are true.For new52, Superman was split into 2, and his old history still existed to one, and the other had a new one.
One had the original JLA meeting, while the JLA also met anew, because years were stolen.
All is still true to continuity though, even as things begin to unwind back to its original shape. New52 still happened.
The Universe could be rewritten at this point so that nothing in New 52 is in the current history, and the feats would be valid, because we know for a fact that the New 52 Superman was just a [weakened] part of the current Superman.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Isn't that how it's contracted? Or at least being in close proximity to him being ripped, which would mean that someone recently ripped him apart I gather.
Lobdell showed it in his Doomed series.
Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]Under his own power.That wasn't a watcher. That was Antiphon who was killed and shown later.
Antiphon was incarcerated by Galactus and died in jail. It was a Watcher that was vaporized in the blast. Your memory is wrong.
Where is Galactus established above skyfather level? He is consistently on Odin's level in power and has been stalemated by skyfathers across decades.
There's no debate about this at all. There are no "stalemates across decades." The burden of proof is on you. Galactus has the feats. Odin can't hang with Celestials after a thousand years of prep. Nothing in his possession or in Asgard has been shown to have the capability to reset the multiverse. Odin battled Thanos for pages with Asgard being wrecked all over.
Ridiculous claim.
