true, and it's BS that the power gap is 'huge'. it certainly wasn't huge between hulk and juggs, nor between sentry and juggs. it certainly wouldn't have been huge had thor showed up. had herc gone all out, lost his sh!t and wanted to kill hulk, it would have been one hell of a battle.... i fact confirmed by banner himself later. hulk would win, but it would have been a massive fight. and that is him unamped.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85What I'm saying is the feat that keeps getting used to support Hercules is a cheapshot. It's not a clean punch that is indicative of his power that you want to use considering even with the advantage of it being blindsided it had small results.
Cheap shots?This is Herc we're talking about. With Quicksilver's best feats backing him up.
He would be doing NOTHING but cheap shots, lol.
Hercules had advantages before and arguably a better advantage than speed with a rapidly weakening opponent as well as backup all eventually fighting to kill (cause anything less would be suicide). Only Hulk's imminent death via molecular dispersion allowed them to win
That's what it took to "beat" Bannerless Hulk
Originally posted by leonidasThe Juggernaut fight was inconclusive but just like the Sentry fight it wasn't without the knowledge that Hulk was suppressing himself even then, unless this too is not allowed even if it was in issue #5
true, and it's BS that the power gap is 'huge'. it certainly wasn't huge between hulk and juggs, nor between sentry and juggs. it certainly wouldn't have been huge had thor showed up. had herc gone all out, lost his sh!t and wanted to kill hulk, it would have been one hell of a battle.... i fact confirmed by banner himself later. hulk would win, but it would have been a massive fight. and that is him unamped.
Sentry was the most powerful, possibly Strange can be lumped up with him but the amount of punishment Sentry took seemed like it was higher than Strange took. none of those guys would have had a chance fighting him like that
Let's assume that WWH was holding back when he hit Hercules.
Then
1. Hulk wasn't holding back his durability. That means he can be koed with a sufficient amount of punches.
2. It will be in WWH character to hold back. So he will try to hit Hercules with the same force as in the panel.
With Qs speed then Hulks drops quickly because of 1.
This power gap opinion is kind of strange. Herc is near Savage Hulk level of strength, not too far away from WWH. According to Carver he flash koed WWH (head on the ground eyes closed). 1000 Hits from Herc would ko or kill almost any Herald, WWH, Superman, Thor or Glads, doesn't matter.
IMHO saying Herc is a week feeb compared to WWH is just pure BS.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Hercules as in WWH vs World War HULK.Hercules is given the speed and reflexes of Quicksilver along with the experience to use use his superspeed at the best of his habilities.
He has to KO Hulk in order to win.
Who wins?
Can Super speed Hercules defeat Hulk or will Hulk prevail against this superfast tank?
He still loses. Sentry moves faster than Pietro. This is basically Gladiator without all of the bells and whistles. As much as people may like to say that the Hulk would be beaten before he even sees this speedster, there may be something that they are forgetting. The Hulk has reacted to speedsters without much trouble. He will do so here as well.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeThe evidence is there, man. You guys are actively ignoring showings where beings around Savage Hulk level (until he gets pissed for real) were treated like fodder as if Hulk's strength is static.
This power gap opinion is kind of strange. Herc is near Savage Hulk level of strength, not too far away from WWH. According to Carver he flash koed WWH (head on the ground eyes closed). 1000 Hits from Herc would ko or kill almost any Herald, WWH, Superman, Thor or Glads, doesn't matter.IMHO saying Herc is a week feeb compared to WWH is just pure BS.
Originally posted by Stoic
He still loses. Sentry moves faster than Pietro. This is basically Gladiator without all of the bells and whistles. As much as people may like to say that the Hulk would be beaten before he even sees this speedster, there may be something that they are forgetting. The Hulk has reacted to speedsters without much trouble. He will do so here as well.
hulk has reacted to speedsters like whom? and again, it's not like anything near one shots would end this fight. speedfreek wrecked him for most of the fight. he's gone prolonged times without even being able to hit spiderman. he's hit qs in the past, but a glancing blow that herc wouldn't feel. and sentry never came close to using his speed in combat the way pietro does.
if glads used his speed the way he was capable of doing so, hulk would never touch him either, but he doesn't. glads is fast, sentry is fast. they are not speedsters. speedsters use their speed completely differently. qs has beaten down ironman with his basically human strength. hulk is ko'd in this before he throws a punch.
@pg: wut? who in that arc did he treat like fodder that was savage hulk level exactly....?
i'd be curious to know if thor were replaced with herc if opinions would be the same. sounds like it wouldn't matter if he were pummeled a 1000 times by the hammer--he'd still just stand there and take it, or maybe he'd...dodge the shots? catch the hammer? i've quite literally never seen anything like this thread before. someone says hulk is as fast as qs. someone says he simply heals from a 1000 hits from herc and wouldn't be ko'd. someone thinks that he simply and literally dwarfs herc in power by such a margin, even with this level of speed, that it's just no contest. unreal. and people claim superman is blown up by his supporters.....i mean where the hell am i?
maybe a better question is where is hulk exactly do some of you think? high trans? skyfather? (can't be, cuz we saw what a po'd herc did to a zeus who was trying to kill him and we saw what happened to hulk when he faced off against zeus....) hrm. this hulk is a puzzle. mmm
He's far above them
(I'm posting a respect thread's worth of scans vs 1 maybe 2 posted for either Herc or QS combined but that's Hulk debatin' for ya)
-Cathexis ray-
After hulk beat Sentry and went Worldbreaker the Cathexis ray took most of his power away and stored it into a battery where it was used to create Red Hulk
Banner is left with enough Gamma to turn into Savage Hulk after getting hit with the Cathexis ray, but then even that is drained from him by Red hulk
Red hulk gets captured by the Intelligencia and is used in concert with the Cathexis ray's already collected Gamma energy to create 200 Hulks out of A.I.Marines as well as transform Cyclops, Spider-man, Thor (Odin power (amped)), Storm, Carol Danvers, Ice-man, Deadpool, Wolverine, Warmachine, Ben Grimm, Captain America and Invisible woman into Hulks as well
Cont.
Banner then reabsorbs all of their energy back into himself to be restored back to "100% Gammafication", back to "the same Hulk you fought in Manhattan"
Skaar was put up against Juggernaut as a training dummy for the eventual return of Hulk at these levels and even after sending him into outer space he still wasn't enough for the real thing
Originally posted by h1a8
Let's assume that WWH was holding back when he hit Hercules.Then
1. Hulk wasn't holding back his durability. That means he can be koed with a sufficient amount of punches.
2. It will be in WWH character to hold back. So he will try to hit Hercules with the same force as in the panel.
With Qs speed then Hulks drops quickly because of 1.
