Originally posted by Delta1938Can you comprehend anything??? Mongul taught superman to stop worrying about shit and stay focused. He could only defeat the probes by fighting like DD. Distractions Rob you of victory. You cannot be that stupid to not know that.
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Originally posted by panthergod
In OWAW right before he sundipped he had over come his humanized limitations and attachments per Steels description.. He was in ALL Out mindset right as he sundipped.
What was the point of Sun dipping if he can physically amp himself to achieve whatever goal that's in front of him. Hulk doesn't dip himself in gamma energy to make himself stronger or to display his dynamic strength. He gets madder which makes him stronger. Before pushing World World, he broke those mental blocks which presumably made him stronger per your admission. Why take an approach that he was even unsure of to achieve a ft of strength when that's all he had to do was release those mental blocks to become stronger.
Originally posted by JBL
Can you comprehend anything??? Mongul taught superman to stop worrying about shit and stay focused. He could only defeat the probes by fighting like DD. Distractions Rob you of victory. You cannot be that stupid to not know that.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Stronger than his base, like saying he felt his powers surging?Or like going from powerless for a year and not absorbing sunlight to multiple jumps in his powers as needed?
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Misc/DynamicNature/UpUpAndAway/Part1
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Misc/DynamicNature/UpUpAndAway/Part2
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Misc/DynamicNature/UpUpAndAway/Part3
You're focusing on some of what Mongul said, while ignoring what doesn't fit your criteria, because the training did not do only what you so desperately want it to. And you question other's ability to comprehend. Answer this: If all the training was meant Superman could focus better, why did he say he felt his powers surging, if they weren't increasing? After all, you demand others answer your questions while failing to reply to others. Being a hypocrite and all.
And I take it you ran in shame from this.
Originally posted by Delta1938
You believe you've definitively proven that Superman wasn't weakened when split. Explain then why he stated, both directly and implied, that he was weaker than before, multiple times, in SUPERMAN: LOIS & CLARK, which definitely is before merging back."Digging a 13 mile wide trench in the ocean floor.....is NOT as easy as it used to be."
"May not be what I was...."
"Not sure why, but my powers aren't what they were." "Whatever the case, it's taken a toll.....leaving me weaker than I care to admit."
"She can cut me?! Because I've gotten weaker?"
So, what mental gymnastics are you going to do now?
Originally posted by carver9
What was the point of Sun dipping if he can physically amp himself to achieve whatever goal that's in front of him. Hulk doesn't dip himself in gamma energy to make himself stronger or to display his dynamic strength. He gets madder which makes him stronger. Before pushing World World, he broke those mental blocks which presumably made him stronger per your admission. Why take an approach that he was even unsure of to achieve a ft of strength when that's all he had to do was release those mental blocks to become stronger.
Moving the goal post again I see.
Originally posted by carver9Don't waste your time with that slow person carvers. Anybody with common sense knows that if superman can increase his strength by dropping mental blocks, why would he have to fly off and sundip??????????. They think that just because superman is allowed to win in the end, he has dynamic strength. LMAO!!!! Who in the hell wants to read a comic where the hero starts of winning and then finish off the threat in the end???? Every hero does that. Superman has mental blocks to keep from having to constantly remind himself he's around normal humans and not give his identity away when he's Clark. Some superman fans are so slow😂
What was the point of Sun dipping if he can physically amp himself to achieve whatever goal that's in front of him. Hulk doesn't dip himself in gamma energy to make himself stronger or to display his dynamic strength. He gets madder which makes him stronger. Before pushing World World, he broke those mental blocks which presumably made him stronger per your admission. Why take an approach that he was even unsure of to achieve a ft of strength when that's all he had to do was release those mental blocks to become stronger.
Originally posted by JBL
Don't waste your time with that slow person carvers. Anybody with common sense knows that if superman can increase his strength by dropping mental blocks, why would he have to fly off and sundip??????????. They think that just because superman is allowed to win in the end, he has dynamic strength. LMAO!!!! Who in the hell wants to read a comic where the hero starts of winning and then finish off the threat in the end???? Every hero does that. Superman has mental blocks to keep from having to constantly remind himself he's around normal humans and not give his identity away when he's Clark. Some superman fans are so slow😂
So you've run away in shame from my questions. It's official. You're a hypocrite.
Originally posted by carver9
What was the point of Sun dipping if he can physically amp himself to achieve whatever goal that's in front of him. Hulk doesn't dip himself in gamma energy to make himself stronger or to display his dynamic strength. He gets madder which makes him stronger. Before pushing World World, he broke those mental blocks which presumably made him stronger per your admission. Why take an approach that he was even unsure of to achieve a ft of strength when that's all he had to do was release those mental blocks to become stronger.
Originally posted by cdtm
Bluewaterrider, does Thor worry about breaking a man's jaw?Tbh, Spidey and probably even Norrin Radd DO hold back as much as Superman. They both have what's known as "World of Cardboard syndrome".
The earliest use of the phrase, "world of cardboard" which I know of, occurred not in the Justice League cartoon that made it famous (Google-video searching the words "Darkseid", "Superman", "Cardboard" and/or "Punch" should yield the scene we're all thinking of), but in a comic that was referring to the strength of the Fantastic Four Marvel character Thing. From a time when the purported max weight the Thing could "officially" lift was around 5 tons. In fact, it was spoken by a being who was asking his listener to consider: if 5-ton-lifting Thing felt that he lives in a world of cardboard, what must it feel like to be the far-stronger Incredible Hulk?
So I don't know if you're being facetious about Spider-Man or not; it's worth mentioning, though, because Spider-Man today, and for perhaps the last 30 or more years, would indeed have the strength rating of a "world of cardboard" character.
And Spider-Man does indeed hold back. I seem to remember an episode involving "Superior" Spider-Man where Otto Octavius-possessed Spider-Man punched the jaw of a villain clean off. Certainly Spider-Man can kill with one shot, read the tragic original Spider-Man versus Wolverine, circa 1987, for corroboration.
The scene most etched in my mind from childhood readings however, is the following, taken from the storyline "Murder by Spider", Amazing Spider-Man #266, if memory serves:
Originally posted by panthergod
Its a figure of speech. Superman was covering all the bases nor does he know his own full potential. WE know his limits are based on his self belief. HE doesn't. Hence he broke through another block under the same writer Mark Schultz in Apokolops Now against Darkseid and then another regaining super intelligence and upgraded HV in Up Up and Away post IC by Busiek and Johns. He still hasn't accessed the full Kryptonian energy manipulating power set while in standard form as shown in Arena by Alternate Kal-El Chris Kent and again elaborated by Wraith in Superman Unchained in Nu52, further displayed by Lana Langs Superwoman and that he originally accessed while in the Electric Superman era.
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But this idiots are incapable of reading that a writer is using mental blocks to play along witj Superman's strength level. Even if it is in plain english their comprehension reding skills do not allow them to se what is wrote and shown in plain english in front of them.
Originally posted by JBL
You just said that superman is as strong as he wants to be. Now he has a new level by sundipping????
Look it's not my fault that you are stupid enough to not understand what it has been writen and shown in front of your face for over the years.
It has been shown to you by different writers that Superman's powers vary depending on his minds set people have actually posted the scans of those instances on this forums for you to read. You are just playing and argument of disvelief and clinging into showings that may help your case while ignoring the showings that completely prove you wrong.
In this case we have all those scans posted so you can read them and a writer interview confirming what we are saying and yet you are still crying like a little baby because you are uncapable of reading and comprehend plain old english.
You also might be incapable of understanding that sundipping might mean that he just needed to take things to the next level as there are beings on comics that transcend the physical levels to which we called sky fathers and abstracts. So maybe the writer feel the need for superman to transcend the physical level and take things to another level. But might as well be written in plain english and you wont be capable of undertand it.
So once again I ask you
What John Byrne said Was Superman's level of strength?
Please respond the question as I am tired of you trying to dodge the ball and it only makes you look like a crying little pussy boy.
Originally posted by carver9
Dynamic strength?
You can't be this stupid when it is writen in plain english that Superman's mind is affecting his power. Plus that you have the writer confirming that Superman's strength basically depends on his mind set. You really can't be this stupid so you are unable to understand this simple idea that I undertand even though english is not my first language.
Basically it comes down to this.
The scans have been presented and the interview with Byrne that confirms Superman's strength has been shown yet the detractors just try to deny the evidence that is right in front of their faces. I would like to take this into a bz but as you can imagine I have better things to do with my time than to school idiots online.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElJesus Christ dude!!! Stop crying. There are plenty of writers that have stated that superman does not have dynamic strength, but strength set in stone. Writers that say that superman, CM, BA are in the same class for years. Even having them debating among themselves who is stronger by having them stalemate in arm wrestling and having Superman HIMSELF stating that he and marvel are too close to call. He went all out against DD and still got killed. Had him fuse with CM and it was superman who was surprised, Marvel sensed nothing because two equals in strength gains NOTHING in strength and Marvel had the wisdom of Solomon. You have a DC and marvel flat out stating that Hulks dynamic strength would pass supermans strength showing that it's set in stone. There is not one writer foolish enough to say in ANY comic or interview that superman is only equal to BA or CM until he drops his mental blocks. If he could drop mental blocks and do like you blind fans pray for, there would be no debates, no challengers that are equal or slightly stronger because of your dream dynamic strength. Your crying was amusing for a time, but you really believe yourself. How sad.
Basically it comes down to this.The scans have been presented and the interview with Byrne that confirms Superman's strength has been shown yet the detractors just try to deny the evidence that is right in front of their faces. I would like to take this into a bz but as you can imagine I have better things to do with my time than to school idiots online.
