Originally posted by Psychotron
Sure.
Ok. Glad we at least agree on that. Next 2 questions:
2. Do you agree or disagree that Doomsday has super speed?
3. Do you believe that Superman and Wonder Woman (and Doomsday if you answered yes to #1) always utilize their super speed throughout an entire fight or do you think they only use it in bursts every now and then?
Originally posted by FrothByte
That's not how physics work. Ever hear of the theory of relativity? Look it up, it explains this scenario perfectly. If I rammed into you at mach 1 speeds and dragged you along with me, then it wouldn't matter how fast or slow my punches are, they will still connect provided you don't dodge them. I can reach out as slowly as I want and poke you in the nose, it would still connect as long as we're both traveling at the same velocity. The key here is that we're traveling at the same velocity.Now, you can say that Superman is flying at superspeed, and I don't think anyone here contests that. But you can clearly see that his punches are not done in superspeed. Heavyweight boxers throw punches faster than that, and the scene was clearly not depicted as being in slow motion.
So how exactly did you come up with the idea that the punches were thrown in superspeed?
The idea is based on how far Superman hits Zod away. It's physically impossible to hit a larger mass far away with a smaller mass without the smaller mass moving much faster than the initial speed of the larger mass after collision.
Visual speed is just acting speed here, but intended and necessary speed is relevant. Bottomline, Superman didn't punch faster than Diana can react to but he did punch faster than any human can. So the argument is moot anyway.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok. Glad we at least agree on that. Next 2 questions:2. Do you agree or disagree that Doomsday has super speed?
3. Do you believe that Superman and Wonder Woman (and Doomsday if you answered yes to #1) always utilize their super speed throughout an entire fight or do you think they only use it in bursts every now and then?
To some degree.
They use their speed against super powered opponents.
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman never avoided an obstacle that was very close to him (less than 20ft) while going faster than sound. Superman going through the building hurts your case because Superman not only hit the building, but he started from afar (had plenty of time and distance to adjust his flight).
What building are you talking about? He dodged multiple buildings while flying around Metropolis fighting Zod. If you're talking about when Zod threw him at buildings that obviously doesn't count.
Originally posted by Psychotron
To some degree.They use their speed against super powered opponents.
So how much faster or slower do you consider DD compared to Superman?
When they do fight super powered opponents, are all their movements done in super speed or do you think they only move in short bursts?
Originally posted by FrothByte
That's not how physics work. Ever hear of the theory of relativity?
Look it up, it explains this scenario perfectly. If I rammed into you at mach 1 speeds and dragged you along with me, then it wouldn't matter how fast or slow my punches are, they will still connect provided you don't dodge them.
Hahaha, seriously?
That's why two cars colliding always move in sync, right?
Also can you show us your proof here?
So he was moving at Mach speed and punching at human speed?
I'm not sure if you're really this dense or just pretending.
I can reach out as slowly as I want and poke you in the nose, it would still connect as long as we're both traveling at the same velocity. The key here is that we're traveling at the same velocity.
So, you're really just this dense. The question wasn't about velocity, it was about acceleration and momentum. Superman hits Zod at very high speed and accelerates him to even higher level without him even being able to react through entire fight.
When you can comprehend what actually happened comes back.
Now, you can say that Superman is flying at superspeed, and I don't think anyone here contests that. But you can clearly see that his punches are not done in superspeed. Heavyweight boxers throw punches faster than that, and the scene was clearly not depicted as being in slow motion.
So it's entirely because it wasn't done in slow motion and blurry lines?
Laughable.
So how exactly did you come up with the idea that the punches were thrown in superspeed?
Let me guess, this isn't Superspeed either?
It's vastly better than anything Diana did for both precision (Lois wasn't even moved) and the terrorist couldn't even press the trigger before getting launched.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh I have. Have you ever read, that's the real question.Hahaha, seriously?
That's why two cars colliding always move in sync, right?
Also can you show us your proof here?
So he was moving at Mach speed and punching at human speed?
I'm not sure if you're really this dense or just pretending.
So, you're really just this dense. The question wasn't about velocity, it was about acceleration and momentum. Superman hits Zod at very high speed and accelerates him to even higher level without him even being able to react through entire fight.
When you can comprehend what actually happened comes back.
So it's entirely because it wasn't done in slow motion and blurry lines?
Laughable.
Because Superman is throwing them while fighting at Superspeed.Let me guess, this isn't Superspeed either?
It's vastly better than anything Diana did for both precision (Lois wasn't even moved) and the terrorist couldn't even press the trigger before getting launched.
You're shifting goalposts and throwing in a bunch of red herrings into your argument. This was what I was initially replying to:
Once we've discussed this we can move on to different examples. But simply using this specific scene, are you claiming that theory of relativity doesn't apply to this? Are you claiming that those punches were done in superspeed?
Originally posted by FrothByte
So how much faster or slower do you consider DD compared to Superman?When they do fight super powered opponents, are all their movements done in super speed or do you think they only move in short bursts?
A bit slower than Superman, I think.
I think they do fight at super speed similar to the matrix. Not every fight needs to have slow mo to remind the audience super-powered beings are fighting.
You know, now that I think about it, Superman took DD into outer space within seconds in the movie, so that's another speed feat for him.
Originally posted by FrothByte
You're shifting goalposts and throwing in a bunch of red herrings into your argument. This was what I was initially replying to:Once we've discussed this we can move on to different examples. But simply using this specific scene, are you claiming that theory of relativity doesn't apply to this? Are you claiming that those punches were done in superspeed?
Wow, you're a sharp one. What made you think I claimed they were done at Superspeed?
Originally posted by Psychotron
A bit slower than Superman, I think.I think they do fight at super speed similar to the matrix. Not every fight needs to have slow mo to remind the audience super-powered beings are fighting.
You know, now that I think about it, Superman took DD into outer space within seconds in the movie, so that's another speed feat for him.
Ok so if I understand this correctly, what you're saying is all of them are fighting in continuous superspeed even if it's not always shown. At least when fighting other super poweres opponents. Is this correct?
As for Superman flying DD into orbit, I don't think anyone here ever denied that Superman cam fly at superspeed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
There is really no debate here. It's your long denial regarding Superman's Superspeed which is being shown.Wow, you're a sharp one. What made you think I claimed they were done at Superspeed?
Just answer the question. There is no need for passive aggressiveness here. I'm trying to have a decent debate.
Do you think theory of relativity applies here? Why or why not?
And are you claiming that he's throwing those punches at superspeed? Why or why not.
Originally posted by Psychotron
A bit slower than Superman, I think.I think they do fight at super speed similar to the matrix. Not every fight needs to have slow mo to remind the audience super-powered beings are fighting.
You know, now that I think about it, Superman took DD into outer space within seconds in the movie, so that's another speed feat for him.
Then there is his hypersonic bullrushing to Doomsday when he returns from space.
All done at human level speed.
😂
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok so if I understand this correctly, what you're saying is all of them are fighting in continuous superspeed even if it's not always shown. At least when fighting other super poweres opponents. Is this correct?As for Superman flying DD into orbit, I don't think anyone here ever denied that Superman cam fly at superspeed.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Just answer the question. There is no need for passive aggressiveness here. I'm trying to have a decent debate.Do you think theory of relativity applies here? Why or why not?
And are you claiming that he's throwing those punches at superspeed? Why or why not.
I'm saying it's Superspeed punches because they are. Superman has superspeed as one of his main power.
Just because Zack Snyder didn't use slow motion shots of Superman using Superspeed doesn't makes Wonder Woman faster. She blitzed some random nooks, so did Faora.
Superman is faster than both as shown by both his feats and his character.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂I'm saying it's Superspeed punches because they are. Superman has superspeed as one of his main power.
Just because Zack Snyder didn't use slow motion shots of Superman using Superspeed doesn't makes Wonder Woman faster. She blitzed some random nooks, so did Faora.
Superman is faster than both as shown by both his feats and his character.
So why is it that in the gif you posted, you see grass and other debris zipping by at high speed yet Superman's punches were being done in regular speed? How can you then say that both are being done in super speed (both flight and punching) when one is clearly depicted as being slower than the other?
Also, I noticed how you keep dodging the topic on theory of relativity. I'm starting to suspect you actually don't know what it is. If I'm mistaken then please prove me wrong.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok so if I understand this correctly, what you're saying is all of them are fighting in continuous superspeed even if it's not always shown. At least when fighting other super poweres opponents. Is this correct?As for Superman flying DD into orbit, I don't think anyone here ever denied that Superman cam fly at superspeed.
Yes. Just like Neo's fight scenes don't always have bullet time but we know he's superhumanly fast.
Well, why is so hard to accept he has super fast reflexes as well? Especially when another Kryptonian, who he defeated, already showed flash stepping on screen?
Originally posted by FrothByte
So why is it that in the gif you posted, you see grass and other debris zipping by at high speed yet Superman's punches were being done in regular speed? How can you then say that both are being done in super speed (both flight and punching) when one is clearly depicted as being slower than the other?Also, I noticed how you keep dodging the topic on theory of relativity. I'm starting to suspect you actually don't know what it is. If I'm mistaken then please prove me wrong.
This is some desperate shit guy.
I can't prove a negative mate. Try to think for once in your life.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Yes. Just like Neo's fight scenes don't always have bullet time but we know he's superhumanly fast.Well, why is so hard to accept he has super fast reflexes as well? Especially when another Kryptonian, who he defeated, already showed flash stepping on screen?
To me, super speed needs to be shown in some form of visual manner. Either you speed up the action or you slow everything else down in relation to that action.
But now that I understand where you're coming from, I can adjust my arguments better in this regard.
So here's my next question: If you believe they are always moving in super speed and that DD is not quite as fast as Superman, how was DD able to land hits on Superman?
Originally posted by abhilegend
What the ****? Are you trying to use grass moving behind as it moving in Superspeed? Superman and Zod were in motion, not grass. Does a cycle goes zooming behind you while you are in a train, is it on Superspeed?This is some desperate shit guy.
I can't prove a negative mate. Try to think for once in your life.
I'm not asking you to prove a negative. I'm asking you to prove that his punches were done in super speed in the gif you posted. So far your only explanation is "He's punching at super speed because that's part of his powerset".
Well heck if that's how we're going to do it then I can simply say "Wonder Woman always fights in super speed because that's part of her powerset".