Originally posted by h1a8
I noted the two punches (which are relevant to this thread). A cross and a jab.
Superman was punching with a nearly uniform acceleration (not speed). Let's only speak of relevant things.
Except Superman wasn't punching with a cross or a jab, at least not in the usual way it's done in boxing. He was winding back and then delivering a straight punch.
Lets say superman and wonder woman were equal speed. Or, if superman is faster, it's not by much. What if superman does tag wonder woman? Will that put her down? Let's say he does heat vision her in the face without her having a shield. Will that put her down? We have seen her take STRONGER heat vision from Doomsday to the face and she got right back up with out a scratch and lassoed him and held him.
Given WW's superior combat skills, comparable speed, and similar strength, what would superman do to her that she could not effectively counter with a deadlier move?
Let's say he goes to grab her to "drag her to the sun". What's to stop her, with her bullet timing reflexes and speed, from countering that with a joint lock or wrestling move?
Since we are using Movie versions, Wrestling seems to be a viable martial art that Amazons were being trained to use at the beginning of the movie as well has acrobatics. Think of Wrestling and Wing Chun at superspeed.
Wonder woman also seems to be an expert on redirecting body weight and controlling limbs as levers of of the body, much like a true martial artist, which she is.
Basically, what can superman do that she can't effectively counter with a more devastating move?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Err... no. He's flying at super speed but punching at normal speed.
You've still got to prove that.
The proof is that we can see him flying at super speed yet still only punches at regular speed.
That's not a proof. Just like humans don't get Superspeed in slow motion scenes.
What you're saying is like saying that if Usain Bolt starts punching while he's running at top speed, he's actually throwing faster punches than Mayweather does when Mayweather is standing still. That's just a ridiculous argument.
Except that is not doing it in Superspeed. Try something else.
Bottom line is, you have zero proof to back up your claim that Superman was punching in super speed. The most that you can do is prove that he was flying in super speed.
That in itself is proof. You got zero proof other than that it was done in real time so it must be normal speed punches.
Think for a second boy and get back to me.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You've still got to prove that.That's not a proof. Just like humans don't get Superspeed in slow motion scenes.
Except that is not doing it in Superspeed. Try something else.
That in itself is proof. You got zero proof other than that it was done in real time so it must be normal speed punches.
Think for a second boy and get back to me.
Do you realize how dumb you just made yourself sound? If something is done in real time then obviously it's done in normal time. That's why it's called real time. That scene was done in real time and not utilizing any slow motion effects... yet Superman was still only punching at regular speed.
That's all the proof you need and it's way better than the proof you've come up with which is basically nothing.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Do you realize how dumb you just made yourself sound? If something is done in real time then obviously it's done in normal time. That's why it's called real time. That scene was done in real time and not utilizing any slow motion effects... yet Superman was still only punching at regular speed.That's all the proof you need and it's way better than the proof you've come up with which is basically nothing.
He thinks "it's Superman" is a valid argument.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Do you realize how dumb you just made yourself sound?
Irony at its finest.
If something is done in real time then obviously it's done in normal time. That's why it's called real time. That scene was done in real time and not utilizing any slow motion effects... yet Superman was still only punching at regular speed.
They were flying in real time too, does it mean that they were not flying at Superspeed?
I'm going to enjoy how many times you can repeat before you understand how dumb you look.
That's all the proof you need and it's way better than the proof you've come up with which is basically nothing.
Except you know, actually fighting at Superspeed. Your entire argument hangs on how fast camera speed is and that's just hilarious.
But tell us about how fast Spartans from 300 are. They move in slow motion right?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Irony at its finest.They were flying in real time too, does it mean that they were not flying at Superspeed?
I'm going to enjoy how many times you can repeat before you understand how dumb you look.
Except you know, actually fighting at Superspeed. Your entire argument hangs on how fast camera speed is and that's just hilarious.
But tell us about how fast Spartans from 300 are. They move in slow motion right?
Yes, they were flying in real time. They were flying in real time extremely fast, whereas they were only punching in real time with regular speed. Do you see the difference? If two actions were performed in real time and one was done extremely fast whereas the other was done pretty slow, you'd have to be an idiot to claim that they were done equally fast. That's like saying someone who's walking is just as fast as someone sprinting.
When slow-motion is used in the movie 300, the Spartans are moving about just as slowly as everyone else around them. That's quite different from how it's used in Wonder Woman, where Wonder Woman seems to be moving in regular speed whereas everyone is moving in slow motion. This shows that she's clearly a lot faster than they are. Do you see the difference?
Yes, my argument is that you need some kind of visual clue as to how fast something is moving in a movie for you to say it's superspeed. It's not like we can touch the characters in the movie to know whether they're moving in superspeed after all. And though you may think visual proof is a shallow form of proof, it's still lightyears better than your "They have superspeed because I said so" mentality.
Originally posted by Psychotron
What happens if Superman just flies Wonder Woman into space? She still needs to breathe, right? And she can't return on her own because she can't fly.Considering Superman has taken both Zod and Doomsday into space, I'd say it's perfectly in character for him.
Yes, that's a valid tactic. There's no proof that Wonder Woman can breathe in space. Superman doesn't even need to go that far up, he can just drop WW from a thousand feet up in the air. She's tough but I doubt she can survive a drop like that.
Of course, this is assuming that Superman can hold on to her long enough to fly her up. Not as easy to do on someone with her skill, speed and weapons. Still, it's definitely possible.
To be clear on my stance here, I'm not saying WW wins this match. I think they both have equal chances of winning. Superman has the advantage in strength, durability and flight whereas WW has the advantage in skill and weaponry. My peeve is this whole idea that Superman is faster than WW. Superman has shown much greater travel speed, in the sense that he can fly and bullrush extremely fast. But he has no feats to equal the kind of precision movements Diana does in super speed. Like the latest JL trailer where Diana casually dodges a bullet when it's about a foot away from her face.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, that's a valid tactic. There's no proof that Wonder Woman can breathe in space. Superman doesn't even need to go that far up, he can just drop WW from a thousand feet up in the air. She's tough but I doubt she can survive a drop like that.Of course, this is assuming that Superman can hold on to her long enough to fly her up. Not as easy to do on someone with her skill, speed and weapons. Still, it's definitely possible.
To be clear on my stance here, I'm not saying WW wins this match. I think they both have equal chances of winning. Superman has the advantage in strength, durability and flight whereas WW has the advantage in skill and weaponry. My peeve is this whole idea that Superman is faster than WW. Superman has shown much greater travel speed, in the sense that he can fly and bullrush extremely fast. But he has no feats to equal the kind of precision movements Diana does in super speed. Like the latest JL trailer where Diana casually dodges a bullet when it's about a foot away from her face.
Superman got Doomsday up there, so I don't see why not. He's capable of reaching space in seconds, according to BvS.
Well, I guess we're gonna have to agree to disagree about the speed. It comes down to that "who's faster, Bruce Lee or Usain Bolt" argument they had in the comics.
However, I think we can all agree that Diana needs weapons to beat an unarmed Superman. In pure H2H she has absolutely no chance.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, that's a valid tactic. There's no proof that Wonder Woman can breathe in space. Superman doesn't even need to go that far up, he can just drop WW from a thousand feet up in the air. She's tough but I doubt she can survive a drop like that.Of course, this is assuming that Superman can hold on to her long enough to fly her up. Not as easy to do on someone with her skill, speed and weapons. Still, it's definitely possible.
To be clear on my stance here, I'm not saying WW wins this match. I think they both have equal chances of winning. Superman has the advantage in strength, durability and flight whereas WW has the advantage in skill and weaponry. My peeve is this whole idea that Superman is faster than WW. Superman has shown much greater travel speed, in the sense that he can fly and bullrush extremely fast. But he has no feats to equal the kind of precision movements Diana does in super speed. Like the latest JL trailer where Diana casually dodges a bullet when it's about a foot away from her face.
Except she can ****ing fly.