Who did Bane fight? He went 50/50 against the worst Batman on the silver screen.
Bucky beat Cap twice definitely and fought him evenly several times. Had decent fights with Panther as well.
Showcased clear superhuman feats like outrunning cars and falling hundreds of feet casually. Fighting h2h woth Iron Man etc...
Bane is shit. And Bucky is a scoop bag.
Originally posted by KingD19
Who did Bane fight? He went 50/50 against the worst Batman on the silver screen.Bucky beat Cap twice definitely and fought him evenly several times. Had decent fights with Panther as well.
Showcased clear superhuman feats like outrunning cars and falling hundreds of feet casually. Fighting h2h woth Iron Man etc...
Bane is shit. And Bucky is a scoop bag.
Anyone can outrun cars moving below 20mph.
Batman is more skilled than WS. WS depends mostly on his physical stats to fight.
Originally posted by h1a8
Anyone can outrun cars moving below 20mph.
Batman is more skilled than WS. WS depends mostly on his physical stats to fight.
We agreed that we were using writer's intention, therefore Captain​ America and Winter Soldier are fast enough to out race cars driving at highway speeds.
Originally posted by Silent Master
We agreed that we were using writer's intention, therefore Captain​ America and Winter Soldier are fast enough to out race cars driving at highway speeds.
It is also very clearly the writer's intent that Winter Soldier is meant to be a highly skilled combatant. He was portrayed as Hydra's greatest assassin and shown to be able to hold his own against highly skilled opponents who have comparable stats to his, and steamroll through highly skilled opponents whose stats are below his.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
It is also very clearly the writer's intent that Winter Soldier is meant to be a highly skilled combatant. He was portrayed as Hydra's greatest assassin and shown to be able to hold his own against highly skilled opponents who have comparable stats to his, and steamroll through highly skilled opponents whose stats are below his.
Two unskilled combatants doesn't prove that one has skill.
WS is skilled when it comes to tactics and weapons. H2h fighting he isn't necessarily very skilled.
WS relies mostly on his enhanced nature (metal arm) with some h2h skill.
Bane on the other hand is a master. He is far more skilled than WS in h2h. He is smarter too. He wouldn't let WS hit him with the metal arm.
He smash until WS. A back breaker is a possibility.
Originally posted by Henry_PymPulling a helicopter isn't a great strength feat. 2nd there is no serious argument that WS human limbs is even equal to Steve's.
How is this a fight, there is a serious argument that Bucky's human limbs might be stronger than Steve's and he pulled a f***in chopper out of the air...WW2 Bucky pre-capture with just his M1 Garand is too much for Bane.
Finally, boards don't hit back. WS punches could easily be countered with stone smashing hits. A back breaker might follow, or a head snap.
Originally posted by h1a8
Two unskilled combatants doesn't prove that one has skill.
WS is skilled when it comes to tactics and weapons. H2h fighting he isn't necessarily very skilled.WS relies mostly on his enhanced nature (metal arm) with some h2h skill.
Bane on the other hand is a master. He is far more skilled than WS in h2h. He is smarter too. He wouldn't let WS hit him with the metal arm.
He smash until WS. A back breaker is a possibility.
Again we are arguing writers intent and the writer intending him to be a master assassin that was so skilled that people weren't even sure he was real.
Skilled superhuman >>>>>>> skilled human.
WS wins 10/10
Originally posted by h1a8
Pulling a helicopter isn't a great strength feat. 2nd there is no serious argument that WS human limbs is even equal to Steve's.Finally, boards don't hit back. WS punches could easily be countered with stone smashing hits. A back breaker might follow, or a head snap.
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Originally posted by h1a8
stone smashing hits.
You do realize that in the real world martial artist's that are not super powered smash concrete bricks with their hands, feet and heads right?
You also realize that movie Bane punched a pillar made out of drywall material and not made of concrete. Most importantly it wasn't a solid pillar, it was hollow.
All this of course can be backed up by on screen feats, not by assuming, or using your imagination.
Originally posted by SableBucky is constantly able to push Cap back, so his body has to absorb that force that one super human limb is giving out. He also seems to be fairly calm while fighting where as Cap seems like he is exerting more but is more skilled.
Cap stopped a chopper from taking off. Refresh my memory on Bucky feat please.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Skilled superhuman >>>>>>> skilled human.WS wins 10/10
That's assuming skill is a wash.
But WS skill wasn't solely in h2h, it was in killing. He was an expert in weapons, tactics, espionage, and h2h. He wasn't a master at h2h though. Basically, he was a jack of all trades.
Originally posted by Henry_PymCap only weighs 230lb or so. Pushing him back a human can do. All the other stuff doesn't equate WS to having Steve's strength feats. He has his own.
Bucky is constantly able to push Cap back, so his body has to absorb that force that one super human limb is giving out. He also seems to be fairly calm while fighting where as Cap seems like he is exerting more but is more skilled.