Originally posted by InhumanNo human can punch through a stone column like Bane did.
You do realize that in the real world martial artist's that are not super powered smash concrete bricks with their hands, feet and heads right?You also realize that movie Bane punched a pillar made out of drywall material and not made of concrete. Most importantly it wasn't a solid pillar, it was hollow.
All this of course can be backed up by on screen feats, not by assuming, or using your imagination.
And it was intended to be solid stone. I have proven it several times. I gave the actual monument where they shot the scene. I showed the actual column right before Bane punched it (it was different right before Bane punched it). The movie makers changed the material in the scene where Bane punched it.
These two facts prove it was intended to be solid stone.
Originally posted by Henry_PymStrength alone can't prevent a human from pushing you. You can have infinite strength and still get pushed back. This because strength doesn't effect the static friction force on one's feet. Weight and the coefficient of static friction does.
Steve also generates force, he isn't a statue. You are just hurting your future credibility at this point.
Originally posted by h1a8
No human can punch through a stone column like Bane did.And it was intended to be solid stone. I have proven it several times. I gave the actual monument where they shot the scene. I showed the actual column right before Bane punched it (it was different right before Bane punched it). The movie makers changed the material in the scene where Bane punched it.
These two facts prove it was intended to be solid stone.
You stated your opinion. I posted actual proof from the movie.
Screen feats>>>>>>>Opinions/assumptions
Originally posted by Silent Master
The fact remains that per writers intentions this is a fight between a highly-skilled human and a highly skilled superhuman. Therefore Winter Soldier as the highly-skilled Superhuman wins 10/10.
Is h1 doing his "hurdur Bucky isn't very skilled" shtick again? Even though his feats against other skilled superhumans, skilled regular humans, as well as various bits of dialogue and other information in CA:CW and CA:TWS clearly indicate that he is? Assuming the answer is yes, I am even more glad I still have him on Ignore.
Just the interrogation/escape scene from CA:CW alone makes the writer's intent clear. All the safety measures in place to keep a totally unarmed Winter Soldier secure (which makes it glaringly obvious that they consider him extremely dangerous, even unarmed), and the extreme response once he gets loose (as well as the lack of success of said response). The writer's intent is blatantly clear throughout both films that feature Bucky as the Winter Soldier, but it doesn't fit a certain extremely biased poster's narrative, so it gets ignored.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Is h1 doing his "hurdur Bucky isn't very skilled" shtick again? Even though his feats against other skilled superhumans, skilled regular humans, as well as various bits of dialogue and other information in CA:CW and CA:TWS clearly indicate that he is? Assuming the answer is yes, I am even more glad I still have him on Ignore.Just the interrogation/escape scene from CA:CW alone makes the writer's intent clear. All the safety measures in place to keep a totally unarmed Winter Soldier secure (which makes it glaringly obvious that they consider him extremely dangerous, even unarmed), and the extreme response once he gets loose (as well as the lack of success of said response). The writer's intent is blatantly clear throughout both films that feature Bucky as the Winter Soldier, but it doesn't fit a certain extremely biased poster's narrative, so it gets ignored.
H1 went on the record as saying for this debate writers intention supersedes everything, however for some reason he is refusing to follow his own rules.
Originally posted by InhumanHow can it be an opinion when I posted facts? The actual monument was REAL. The column changed in the scene when Bane hit it. Right before the switch, it was shown to be the real column. The movie makers didn't do a good job making the prop materials look exactly like the scene right before Bane struck it. As far as I'm concerned, you are trolling. I'm done with it.
You stated your opinion. I posted actual proof from the movie.Screen feats>>>>>>>Opinions/assumptions
Originally posted by Steve ZodiacBane can take a hit. You act as if WS will hit more than 20x harder than Batman (which is needed to kill him).
This fight goes like this, Winter Soldier hits Bane and Bane dies.
Anyway WS will have a hard time even hitting Bane. Bane is simply more skilled. If Bane punches WS then plenty damage will be done.
Originally posted by InhumanThat building was the Mellon Institute of Industrial Research, which has monolithic pillars made of limestone. Drywall pillars meant to support a building of that size? 👇
You also realize that movie Bane punched a pillar made out of drywall material and not made of concrete. Most importantly it wasn't a solid pillar, it was hollow.
Originally posted by h1a8
Bane can take a hit. You act as if WS will hit more than 20x harder than Batman (which is needed to kill him).Anyway WS will have a hard time even hitting Bane. Bane is simply more skilled. If Bane punches WS then plenty damage will be done.
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I disagree he hits 20.5X harder ffs, where did you get 20X from?
Show me your working?
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
H1 has a tendency to arbitrarily pull numbers out of his ass (and they are always numbers that favour his arguments) and then claim them as fact.
Then, in your opinion, how many times harder do you think WS can punch than Batman? Give a range if you wish. With metal arm and with normal arm.
Originally posted by Steve Zodiac
🙄 ❌I disagree he hits 20.5X harder ffs, where did you get 20X from?
Show me your working?
WS can punch somewhere between 4-7x harder than Batman with the metal arm and about 1.2-2 times harder with the normal hand. This is common sense.
Originally posted by Inhuman
You stated your opinion. I posted actual proof from the movie.Screen feats>>>>>>>Opinions/assumptions
I refuted your argument. It doesn't contradict my statements. You are now trolling and ignoring my statements. I'll repeat one more.
It was INTENDED to be solid stone. I have proven it several times.
1. I gave the actual monument site where they shot the scene and gave the makeup and weight of the actual columns.
2. I showed that the same column, right before Bane punched it, was indeed the REAL column from the site. The movie makers changed the material in the next cut scene where Bane punched it. The two columns are drastically different in appearance and texture. The scenes are a split second apart. It's like one scene you see a real human and in the next, an actual doll getting swung around. But we all know the doll is suppose to be the human.