Originally posted by Silent Master
Bane was intended to be a highly skilled human, whereas Winter Soldier was intended to be a highly skilled superhuman.Thus, WS 10/10.
WS is not highly skilled in h2h. He's an expert yes, but nowhere even close to master level. And WS is intended to be an enhanced human, not a superhuman.
Originally posted by h1a8
WS is not highly skilled in h2h. He's an expert yes, but nowhere even close to master level. And WS is intended to be an enhanced human, not a superhuman.
The writers clearly intended WS to be highly skilled + around Cap's level in physical stats and Cap was intended to be a superhuman.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The writers clearly intended WS to be highly skilled + around Cap's level in physical stats and Cap was intended to be a superhuman.
Cap is an enhanced human, not a superhuman. WS is lesser than Cap without the metal arm.
WS is not highly skilled in h2h. He's highly skilled at killing with weapons and killing in general. He's highly skilled in tactics, tracking, and espionage. In h2h, he's just experienced.
Originally posted by h1a8
Cap is an enhanced human, not a superhuman. WS is lesser than Cap without the metal arm.WS is not highly skilled in h2h. He's highly skilled at killing with weapons and killing in general. He's highly skilled in tactics, tracking, and espionage. In h2h, he's just experienced.
Now you're just arguing semantics in an effort to downplay how far above human Cap and WS were intended to be.
WS was intended to be highly skilled in hth, you're again just trying to downplay him in order to give your favorite character a better chance.
Originally posted by KingD19
Even if it was real.Bane breaking a chunk of concrete<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Any of Bucky's feats.
It doesn't change a thing about how Bane loses.
Actually it's greater than any of Bucky's feats.
Originally posted by KingD19
Even if it was real.Bane breaking a chunk of concrete<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Any of Bucky's feats.
It doesn't change a thing about how Bane loses.
The Bane column-breaking feat is usually the most pointless thing to debate in these fights because it always comes into play when Bane is matched up against someone way way way way way above his paygrade.
Bucky by feats and feat comparisons could do worse to that pillar with his regular arm, and would Agent Smith subway fight/Super Shredder dock support beam break it with his roboarm
Originally posted by FrothByteOf course it does. It proves the intentions of the writer. You see the column change from real to fake the instant Bane punched it. It's like seeing a doll being swung, when right before it was a real human.
And thus the material of the pillars of the Mellon Institute of Industrial Research have no bearing as to what materials those pillars were supposed to be made of in the movie.
Originally posted by h1a8
Of course it does. It proves the intentions of the writer. You see the column change from real to fake the instant Bane punched it. It's like seeing a doll being swung, when right before it was a real human.
No it doesn't. You're not supposed to mix real world locations with in-movie locations, otherwise we know that majority of underwater and outer-space scenes are just CGI backgrounds. Are we to assume that Superman can't really fly in space because he only did so in front of a CGI screen?
Besides if you really want to include real world locations then we know Bane never really broke a pillar of the Mellon Institute. What he did was break a prop, probably some kind of plaster.
So instead we interpret it as the director wanted us to interpret it, in this case the pillar broke like it was drywall or at least that it was hollow, so we assume it's dry wall or at least hollow.
Originally posted by FrothByteYou are making 0 sense. We are talking about writer's using REAL locations, not fake locations. This is to prove writer's intentions.
No it doesn't. You're not supposed to mix real world locations with in-movie locations, otherwise we know that majority of underwater and outer-space scenes are just CGI backgrounds. Are we to assume that Superman can't really fly in space because he only did so in front of a CGI screen?Besides if you really want to include real world locations then we know Bane never really broke a pillar of the Mellon Institute. What he did was break a prop, probably some kind of plaster.
So instead we interpret it as the director wanted us to interpret it, in this case the pillar broke like it was drywall or at least that it was hollow, so we assume it's dry wall or at least hollow.
And good way to troll me. I stated that the column was real right before Bane hit it. They made a switch in the next cut scene. This like the "rag doll" example I gave.
Originally posted by FrothByteSo you believe that because the prop they had Hardy punch wasn't made of stone (which is really only obviously visible in slow motion), the columns themselves, rather than being made out of stone like a column that size would actually be made out of, is made out of, of all things, hollow drywall, which seems to be what most of you claim?
And thus the material of the pillars of the Mellon Institute of Industrial Research have no bearing as to what materials those pillars were supposed to be made of in the movie.
Don't be retarded. 👇
They were obviously made of stone considering all the solid bits of debris that fell out after Bane cratered it. Broken drywall doesn't look like that.
Originally posted by h1a8
You are making 0 sense. We are talking about writer's using REAL locations, not fake locations. This is to prove writer's intentions.And good way to troll me. I stated that the column was real right before Bane hit it. They made a switch in the next cut scene. This like the "rag doll" example I gave.
Guess my analogy went right over your head. If you use REAL locations then we know Bane never broke a pillar in the Mellon Institute, he broke props.
If you want to use writer interpretation then we interpret the scene as to how it looked, because that's how you interpret writer intention. In this case the pillar looked hollow and made of dry wall, so that's how we interpret it. Had the writer/director really wanted us to interpret it as solid concrete then they would have made it look like solid concrete. But they didn't. End of story.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The writer picked the Institute because he liked the way it looked not because of what it was made of.Feel free to prove me wrong by posting comments from the writer stating he picked that Institute because it was his intent to show that Bane can punch through solid concrete.
That has no bearing on anything.
You are still ignoring the fact that The column material was switched between the two scenes. It's like the "rag doll" example I gave.
Originally posted by FrothByteSo you actually believe that the pillar was meant to be drywall? You really are a moron. 😂
Guess my analogy went right over your head. If you use REAL locations then we know Bane never broke a pillar in the Mellon Institute, he broke props.If you want to use writer interpretation then we interpret the scene as to how it looked, because that's how you interpret writer intention. In this case the pillar looked hollow and made of dry wall, so that's how we interpret it. Had the writer/director really wanted us to interpret it as solid concrete then they would have made it look like solid concrete. But they didn't. End of story.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Guess my analogy went right over your head. If you use REAL locations then we know Bane never broke a pillar in the Mellon Institute, he broke props.If you want to use writer interpretation then we interpret the scene as to how it looked, because that's how you interpret writer intention. In this case the pillar looked hollow and made of dry wall, so that's how we interpret it. Had the writer/director really wanted us to interpret it as solid concrete then they would have made it look like solid concrete. But they didn't. End of story.
The prop was at the real location. 😕
The column was real right before the scene Bane punched it. You clearly see the column change dramatically within a split second. This is the "rag doll " effect.
It's just a lack of special effects (like thousands of movies have).