Sunny vs Miyagi

Originally posted by KingD19
Oh you're absolutely right. But notice how when I applied that exacct same logic to Bane, he said it wasn't the same thing. He loves to twist any argument just enough so that he always seems right and you don't, hahaha it's so bad.

That's the big joke. He constantly goes on about "writer's intent". But if it wasn't the writer's intent to show the bolt firing at Sunny from behind and him spinning around to catch it, they would never have included it. They would have cut to the second shot right after showing the Clipper taking aim. It would have taken less time, effort, and money (for the flying bolt vfx, because they obviously didn't shoot an actual crossbow bolt at Daniel Wu's back) to do.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
We don't see the Clipper fire again from the 2nd camera angle. Sunny blocks line of sight. All we hear is the whistle from the bolt and see the Clipper maintaining his firing posture. So, there is no visible cue in the second shot that actually contradicts the first. The ITB crew are very precise with their cinematography. If they shot him with his back turned as the bolt fired, and cut it into the scene, then they did it for a reason.

So someone who claimed Bane is slow (going by visual speed) is suggesting that the arrow wasn't shot in the second scene because Sunny was facing the shooter for about a second before raising his hand to catch it. So either that is one slow ass arrow or you are using double standards when it comes to on screen visual speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
The crossbow bolt in the show that sunny caught was slower than a standard bolt. It was completely metal and much thicker.

Post your proof.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
That's the big joke. He constantly goes on about "writer's intent". But if it wasn't the writer's intent to show the bolt firing at Sunny from behind and him spinning around to catch it, they would never have included it. They would have cut to the second shot right after showing the Clipper taking aim. It would have taken less time, effort, and money (for the flying bolt vfx, because they obviously didn't shoot an actual crossbow bolt at Daniel Wu's back) to do.

I thought it was evident that the 2nd scene had the shooter shoot the arrow afterwards since Sunny was faced to him for a second.
It could be very well writer's intentions that Sunny turned around and caught it.
I can concede the point.
But this is irrelevant to my argument.

Sunny can't attack faster than an arrow. Miyagi has great hand speed and reflexes. Miyagi always wait to be attacked.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Post your proof.

^ There was no proof. I just posted a bunch of facts proving that crossbows shoot a lot faster than yumis. You have yet to provide any decent argument against it. There is no way a Yumi could ever compete against a crossbow in pure speed and power.

Originally posted by h1a8
I thought it was evident that the 2nd scene had the shooter shoot the arrow afterwards since Sunny was faced to him for a second.
It could be very well writer's intentions that Sunny turned around and caught it.
I can concede the point.
But this is irrelevant to my argument.

Sunny can't attack faster than an arrow. Miyagi has great hand speed and reflexes. Miyagi always wait to be attacked.

So the fact that Sunny actually has the better on screen feat is irrelevant to your argument. you do realize that you just admitted that you're not basing your argument on what the movie shows and are thus knowingly breaking forum rules.

Originally posted by h1a8
The proof was the last sentence.

Your opinion isn't proof and continuing to try and pass it off as such is just another lie.

BTW, knowingly lying to help your argument is known as trolling.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So the fact that Sunny actually has the better on screen feat is irrelevant to your argument. you do realize that you just admitted that you're not basing your argument on what the movie shows and are thus knowingly breaking forum rules.

Your opinion isn't proof and continuing to try and pass it off as such is just another lie.

BTW, knowingly lying to help your argument is known as trolling.

Yes, it's irrelevant. It doesn't prove that Sunny can hit Miyagi. It doesn't prove that Miyagi can't defend and counter a Sunny attack.

How can facts be opinions? The bolt was of metal construction and larger than a standard bolt. Where is the opinion?

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes, it's irrelevant. It doesn't prove that Sunny can hit Miyagi. It doesn't prove that Miyagi can't defend and counter a Sunny attack.

How can facts be opinions. The bolt was of metal construction and larger than a standard bolt. Where is the opinion?

We don't have to prove that Miyagi can't defend or counter, you actually have to prove that he can. thus Sunny having the better reaction feat is completely relevant to the discussion, same with the fact that Sunny has the better skill feats.

Your entire post was opinion, at no time did you actually post any facts about the specific bolt used it that scene.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So the fact that Sunny actually has the better on screen feat is irrelevant to your argument. you do realize that you just admitted that you're not basing your argument on what the movie shows and are thus knowingly breaking forum rules.

He's also exaggerating the time Sunny faced the guy. Between the 4:02 and 4:03 mark in the video, the guy fires. Between the 4:03 and 4:04 mark, Sunny catches it. So, the entire sequence barely took a second.

So h1, why aren't you replying to my posted facts?

Originally posted by FrothByte
So h1, why aren't you replying to my posted facts?

And, if I am not mistaken, you actually have some RL experience with archery. Or am I thinking of someone else?

Plain and simple. Both have arrow catch feats, yes?

Sunny's is better by a large margin. It took place in combat, he got shot at from behind at a closer distance by a faster projectile.

Miyagi did a demonstration from a huge distance and had time to prepare.

And of the two, only Sunny has actual combat feats. h1 is acting like actually seeing someone perform doesn't matter if he says they're good.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So h1, why aren't you replying to my posted facts?

h1 doesn't deal with actual facts, he just deals with h1-facts. otherwise known as his opinions.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
And, if I am not mistaken, you actually have some RL experience with archery. Or am I thinking of someone else?

No you're right, I've been a professional archer for 5 yrs now. I specialize in horsebows though I also shoot longbows and recurves. Did a 6 month intro course in Kyudo.

Not really into compounds and crossbows but I've shot with other archers who let me try their stuff. There is no bow on the planet that you can pull with your fingers that can compete against the power of a crossbow. Especially not a Yumi.

Originally posted by Silent Master
We don't have to prove that Miyagi can't defend or counter, you actually have to prove that he can. thus Sunny having the better reaction feat is completely relevant to the discussion, same with the fact that Sunny has the better skill feats.

Your entire post was opinion, at no time did you actually post any facts about the specific bolt used it that scene.

I proved it.

Catching an arrow doesn't mean you can punch with the same speed. It takes a fraction of the speed of something to catch it. Thus Sunny cannot punch faster than an arrow and Miyagi can react to his attacks since he reacted to something faster.

Miyagi has great hand speed. He broke the tops of 3 empty beer bottles.
Miyagi can use this hand speed and skill to counter Sunny.

Originally posted by h1a8
I proved it.

Catching an arrow doesn't mean you can punch with the same speed. It takes a fraction of the speed of something to catch it. Thus Sunny cannot punch faster than an arrow and Miyagi can react to his attacks since he reacted to something faster.

Miyagi has great hand speed. He broke the tops of 3 empty beer bottles.
Miyagi can use this hand speed and skill to counter Sunny.

Your opinion isn't proof. by screen feats Sunny is both faster and more skilled than Miyagi. thus the chance of Miyagi successfully countering Sunny is very small. whereas the chance of Sunny countering Miyagi is very high.

Originally posted by h1a8
I proved it.

Catching an arrow doesn't mean you can punch with the same speed. It takes a fraction of the speed of something to catch it. Thus Sunny cannot punch faster than an arrow and Miyagi can react to his attacks since he reacted to something faster.

Miyagi has great hand speed. He broke the tops of 3 empty beer bottles.
Miyagi can use this hand speed and skill to counter Sunny.

Again, your opinion isn't proof. by screen feats Sunny is both faster and more skilled than Miyagi. thus the chance of Miyagi successfully countering Sunny is very small. whereas the chance of Sunny countering Miyagi is very high.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, your opinion isn't proof. by screen feats Sunny is both faster and more skilled than Miyagi. thus the chance of Miyagi successfully countering Sunny is very small. whereas the chance of Sunny countering Miyagi is very high.