Sunny vs Miyagi

Originally posted by h1a8
An arrow is faster than Miyagi. Doesn't mean the arrow can hit Miyagi.
The argument is simple. Sunny attacks, Miyagi defends (it takes less speed to defend than the attack) and counters.

Are you aware that arrows can't fight back, have more than one appendage or attack multiple times?

Are you aware that Sunny being both more skilled and faster makes the chances of Miyagi successfully defending and countering rather small?

Originally posted by FrothByte
No you're right, I've been a professional archer for 5 yrs now. I specialize in horsebows though I also shoot longbows and recurves. Did a 6 month intro course in Kyudo.

Not really into compounds and crossbows but I've shot with other archers who let me try their stuff. There is no bow on the planet that you can pull with your fingers that can compete against the power of a crossbow. Especially not a Yumi.

An arrow doesn't change it's trajectory. A SINGLE arrow does not launch a combination of attacks on you. An arrow is not capable to blocking an attack and counter attacking. An arrow is not capable of feinting or of continuing to push once it's momentum is stopped.

There are real people out there who can catch arrows, that does not mean that they are unhittable with punches.

Guys, let's also take this into account. People who can launch Sunny over 10 feet and through solid stone walls don't have enough strength to put Sunny down.

What is Miyagi gonna do even if he does get off a counter? Sunny punches, Miyagi counters...his blow has no effect and Sunny is already kicking him across the room.

Originally posted by FrothByte
An arrow doesn't change it's trajectory. A SINGLE arrow does not launch a combination of attacks on you. An arrow is not capable to blocking an attack and counter attacking. An arrow is not capable of feinting or of continuing to push once it's momentum is stopped.

There are real people out there who can catch arrows, that does not mean that they are unhittable with punches.

It's hilarious that h1 is saying that Miyagi will be able to defend and counter, despite being both slower and less skilled. yet Sunny apparently won't be able to defend or counter even though he is faster and more skilled.

Originally posted by KingD19
Guys, let's also take this into account. People who can launch Sunny over 10 feet and through solid stone walls don't have enough strength to put Sunny down.

What is Miyagi gonna do even if he does get off a counter? Sunny punches, Miyagi counters...his blow has no effect and Sunny is already kicking him across the room.

Originally posted by FrothByte
An arrow doesn't change it's trajectory. A SINGLE arrow does not launch a combination of attacks on you. An arrow is not capable to blocking an attack and counter attacking. An arrow is not capable of feinting or of continuing to push once it's momentum is stopped.

There are real people out there who can catch arrows, that does not mean that they are unhittable with punches.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Are you aware that arrows can't fight back, have more than one appendage or attack multiple times?

Are you aware that Sunny being both more skilled and faster makes the chances of Miyagi successfully defending and countering rather small?

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's hilarious that h1 is saying that Miyagi will be able to defend and counter, despite being both slower and less skilled. yet Sunny apparently won't be able to defend or counter even though he is faster and more skilled.

You are fallaciously assuming that a slower person can't defend against a faster person. It takes only a fraction of the speed of an attack to defend against it.

Originally posted by h1a8
Miyagi has shown superhuman fighting speed and knows pressure points.

Post clips where he uses superhuman speed in combat.

Sunny can only throw one attack at a time. The first attack will be countered.

Prove it.

You are fallaciously assuming that a slower person can't defend against a faster person. It takes only a fraction of the speed of an attack to defend against it.

As Sunny is both faster and more skilled, why are you assuming Miyagi will be successful in his counters?

Sunny has attacked multiple people at once, as well as a single person from multiple angles and with more than one limb. And he does this fairly often.

Originally posted by KingD19
Sunny has attacked multiple people at once, as well as a single person from multiple angles and with more than one limb. And he does this fairly often.

Originally posted by h1a8
He will still throw one attack at a time. The first attack will be countered.

So you believe that the faster and more skilled Sunny won't be able to counter or dodge Miyagi's attacks or counters?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you believe that the faster and more skilled Sunny won't be able to counter or dodge Miyagi's attacks or counters?

Of course not. Don't you realize that h1's logic dictates the obviously more powerful of the fighters loses?

Originally posted by h1a8
He will still throw one attack at a time. The first attack will be countered.

Ok, so his first attack gets countered. Then he gets floored by the 2nd attack, knocked out by the 3rd and killed by the 4th.

Much as I love Miyagi, you can't really compare his competition to Sunny's.

Bunch of kids and a drunken ptsd candidate?

This is what h1 does. According to him Bane can dodge around Winter Soldier all day, take multiple full force hits from his robo-arm and do massive damage to Soldier with punches.

Its not like Sunny can do something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1erNvtdRbI

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you believe that the faster and more skilled Sunny won't be able to counter or dodge Miyagi's attacks or counters?

Sunny can't counter Miyagi's counter because that would make it not a counter. A counter cannot be countered.
A counter occurs when the victim is extended and not able to defend the counter attack.

Originally posted by h1a8
Miyagi will not attack first.

Sunny can't counter Miyagi's counter because that would make it not a counter. A counter cannot be countered.
A counter occurs when the victim is extended and not able to defend the counter attack.

So what do you call it when Sunny hit's Miyagi while he's countering? Because that is what happens even in your weird and wrong scenario.

Originally posted by h1a8
Miyagi will not attack first.

Sunny can't counter Miyagi's counter because that would make it not a counter. A counter cannot be countered.
A counter occurs when the victim is extended and not able to defend the counter attack.

IOW, you're making up definitions again. because that isn't what counter means.

Originally posted by KingD19
So what do you call it when Sunny hit's Miyagi while he's countering? Because that is what happens even in your weird and wrong scenario.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you're making up definitions again. because that isn't what counter means.

Originally posted by h1a8
Doesn't matter what you call it. All that matters is what will happen. Miyagi will counter when Sunny is extended and not recovered.

When has Miyagi ever countered someone that is as fast and skilled as Sunny and what is stopping Sunny from countering Miyagi counter?