Can ANYONE Go To Heaven?

Originally posted by socool8520
Except their is Hell so at some point there is no forgiveness. Also, God did wipe out the world once if the Bible is to be believed so even God would have his limits. I've always found that to be highly contradictory.

I know many Christians believe in hell but not the intelligent and moral ones, few as they might be.

So says my favorite Bishop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc

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DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Judgement would be pointless as God would always judge us all to be innocent because we would always be doing what we do thanks to those who interacted with us beforehand and set our morals or lack of morals.

Perhaps that is what Jesus meant with his ---judge not.

John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

If Jesus was speaking of the spirit world, judge not applies.

If Jesus was speaking of the real world, then he is a fool as we must judge to weed out those who would do harm to us.

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DL

Originally posted by Surtur
I dunno, I figure someone could be an unforgiving d-bag without being worthy of hell.

Originally posted by socool8520
Yeah but violent and unforgiving? That's a no-no

This is the problem with this line of thinking to me. It renders morality utterly meaningless imo.

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
hypothetical scenario: what if the reason Hitler turned genocidal turned out to be that nobody liked his oil paintings? who does god punish then, Hitler or the people who wouldn't buy his paintings?

No one would get punished as in this case, the blame would have to be shared with those who contributed to Hitler being such a poor loser and having a character who could not take rejection.

We, at all points in time, all contribute to how we all end up.

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DL

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
lol... if Hitler gets to go to heaven then I'm pretty sure the guy that punches him in the face in heaven is in the clear as well.

This is the problem with this line of thinking to me. It renders morality utterly meaningless imo.

Not really. It just shows that we all contribute to each others moral sense and actions.

Again, you have to separate the standards here where we can kill each other with the standards of heaven where we cannot.

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DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am
No one would get punished as in this case, the blame would have to be shared with those who contributed to Hitler being such a poor loser and having a character who could not take rejection.

We, at all points in time, all contribute to how we all end up.

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DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Not really. It just shows that we all contribute to each others moral sense and actions.

Again, you have to separate the standards here where we can kill each other with the standards of heaven where we cannot.

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DL

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
maybe nobody made him a sore loser. maybe he was just a crazy person who devolved into madness once his dream was crushed.

If crazy, he does not pass mens rea, an evil mind or intent standard, and a just court would find him not guilty due to insanity.

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DL

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
so what if someone in heaven breaks the rules?

Would a supernatural heaven have rules?

Sin has a victim. How can a soul victimize another soul in a non-physical supernatural heaven?

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DL

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
so what if someone in heaven breaks the rules?

I was under the impression that if you pass the Heaven test, you are above rule breaking at that point and also, since heaven is supposed to be a place of paradise, love, and comfort, you wouldn't want to.

Unless of course you're Lucifer. He's not down with the hugs and kisses.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
My stance is that when everyone dies they get a knowledge of how they've lived their lives that proportionately punishes them for their sins and equips them to move past their remaining flaws, and once the person chooses to take personal responsibility for who they are and progress individually they get into heaven.

Basically everyone gets into heaven IMO, but if you're an evil prick in your ligthats gonna come back to bite you in the ass and you'll have to take personal responsibility for who you are before you get in.

^ Isn't reincarnation like this. Keep trying until you become a good person. If you are a POS, it'll take you awhile.

Damn... Man hasn't seen such a controversial thread for time.

As for the question itself, I'm gonna say no and just leave it at that without participating in this discussion with walls of text.

Originally posted by socool8520
I was under the impression that if you pass the Heaven test, you are above rule breaking at that point and also, since heaven is supposed to be a place of paradise, love, and comfort, you wouldn't want to.

Unless of course you're Lucifer. He's not down with the hugs and kisses.

If Lucifer and a full third of the heavenly host rebelled against God, what makes you think some humans would not?

Do you think we will all like the tyranny of god in heaven?

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DL

Originally posted by socool8520
^ Isn't reincarnation like this. Keep trying until you become a good person. If you are a POS, it'll take you awhile.

Reincarnation is a supernatural belief.

Are you comfortable believing in what intelligent people think is a fantasy world?

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DL

Originally posted by YousufKhan1212
Damn... Man hasn't seen such a controversial thread for time.

As for the question itself, I'm gonna say no and just leave it at that without participating in this discussion with walls of text.

Before you cop out, why not tell us why you said no?

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DL

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Reincarnation is a supernatural belief.

Are you comfortable believing in what intelligent people think is a fantasy world?

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DL

Lol. My stance is that it is all a supernatural belief. I put as much stock in it as I do any other religion, which is to say none.

Many intelligent people believe there is no God at all.

Originally posted by socool8520
Lol. My stance is that it is all a supernatural belief. I put as much stock in it as I do any other religion, which is to say none.

Many intelligent people believe there is no God at all.

Indeed. Most.

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DL