Superman VS Gauntlet.

What I never understood about super speed punches other than the usually little to no damage is the actual physics of it. When punching with such speed and such numbers, why is the guy getting punched almost never shown to be forcefully being pushed?
I mean the first punch alone should have him flying or at least moved from the original spot significantly. But usually we see hundreds even thousands that do almost no displacement of the one on the receiving end. Is it because the force being applied isn't really that strong? Maybe it's akin to multiple jabs in succession where u start off quick per punch, but sort of pull back right before impact because ure setting up for the next one?
When u think about, if you were putting tremendous force on each punch, how can you actually punch them again properly when u just transferred the energy of a punch on them which should really displace them somewhat? Or... At least shift the target in such a way that consecutive blows would be harder to land because of all the angles you now have to deal with.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
What I never understood about super speed punches other than the usually little to no damage is the actual physics of it. When punching with such speed and such numbers, why is the guy getting punched almost never shown to be forcefully being pushed?
I mean the first punch alone should have him flying or at least moved from the original spot significantly. But usually we see hundreds even thousands that do almost no displacement of the one on the receiving end. Is it because the force being applied isn't really that strong? Maybe it's akin to multiple jabs in succession where u start off quick per punch, but sort of pull back right before impact because ure setting up for the next one?
When u think about, if you were putting tremendous force on each punch, how can you actually punch them again properly when u just transferred the energy of a punch on them which should really displace them somewhat? Or... At least shift the target in such a way that consecutive blows would be harder to land because of all the angles you now have to deal with.

Originally posted by Philosophía
That's why it's so rare. Most writers know that a dozen punches from Superman, let alone 4000, would kill most of the characters, so they don't show it. Because once shown, you can't have him kill the characters, so it gets jobbed.

I agree, and believe they shouldn't have shown it go the way they did.

Let's just take it as it is shown. No excuses. Those 4000 punches were not effective. There are other times superman has done this and it was the same results. People are starting to make excuses for Superman,but the scans show the truth😏

in a forum setting, without pis, super speed punches should be viewed differently i'd think. this is sort of an age-old issue in the forum. super speed ALWAYS causes problems of one kind or another. do the super speed punches seem less effective? in most cases, yes. so, why is that the case? is superman (in this case) hitting with only a fraction of the force that he normally hits with? it would certainly seem so. is that because he CAN'T punch at full force using super speed? that seems...dumb. i could throw a bunch of punches and each would be nearly as much as i could put into a shot. stupid to think superman couldn't. i def don't buy the idea that he'd run out of energy....

so what are the alternatives? mental block? straight pis? and it's not just superman. i recall spiderman's flurries doing little in some cases as well--a lot less then his bog haymakers do at least. most people who throw super speed punches seem to be less effective. i think it's pis, plain and simple. and in a non-pis setting, those punches should be considered....a LOT more effective. /shrug

Leo would have a point if in the Doomsday fight Superman didn't say moments before that he can't hold back against Doomsday.

superman claims to 'not hold back' a lot. saying it doesn't drop his mental blocks. but i'm curious--to what do you attribute the general ineffectiveness of super speed punches then?

Honestly don't think that writer was thinking about mental blocks when he was writing the Superman vs Doomsday fight. Honestly, I would take Superman or whomever super speed punches as what is shown in comics. I can't claim Hulk could thunder clap a planet to dust due to him having planetary strength if I don't have anything backing it up. The strength is there, it's the showings that he/Superman /Hulk doesn't have.

1.- Black Bolt - Knocked out.
2.- Wonder Woman - Knocked out.
3.- Silver Surfer - Knocked out.
4.- Thor - Conscious.
5.- Captain Marvel (Billy) - Conscious.
6.- Hulk - Conscious.
7.- Black Adam - Conscious.
8.- Sentry - Conscious.
9.- Thanos - Conscious.

The more punches thrown = the less effective they are. Realistically, no character here should take even 300 punches from Superman and still be conscious but that's not how super-speed is portrayed. It's almost as if there is a meter burn and you can either choose to deposit energy into strength or speed.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Yeah, but that's how they're portrayed most of the time in comics. Same thing happened when he speedblitzed Orion, he broke his mask, but his head was still on his shoulders.

Luckily, on the forum, there's no PIS, so 4000 punches would really be felt like 4000 punches from Superman using his superspeed. He shitstomps this thread.

😬

Soooo you want to take the logical interpretation and apply it on the forum instead of relying what is on panel? Even in the face of overwhelmingly disproportionate (I.e. the Flash's entire career) evidence.

Originally posted by leonidas
in a forum setting, without pis, super speed punches should be viewed differently i'd think. this is sort of an age-old issue in the forum. super speed ALWAYS causes problems of one kind or another. do the super speed punches seem less effective? in most cases, yes. so, why is that the case? is superman (in this case) hitting with only a fraction of the force that he normally hits with? it would certainly seem so. is that because he CAN'T punch at full force using super speed? that seems...dumb. i could throw a bunch of punches and each would be nearly as much as i could put into a shot. stupid to think superman couldn't. i def don't buy the idea that he'd run out of energy....

so what are the alternatives? mental block? straight pis? and it's not just superman. i recall spiderman's flurries doing little in some cases as well--a lot less then his bog haymakers do at least. most people who throw super speed punches seem to be less effective. i think it's pis, plain and simple. and in a non-pis setting, those punches should be considered....a LOT more effective. /shrug

In boxing matches, each punch in a fast flurry is never nearly as hard as a single power punch thrown outside of a flurry. A shoe shine doesn't produce a punch as hard as a dug in single blow.

I think that the energy idea is very viable.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Soooo you want to take the logical interpretation and apply it on the forum instead of relying what is on panel? Even in the face of overwhelmingly disproportionate (I.e. the Flash's entire career) evidence.

Increasing the speed of a punch doesn't decrease it's force - that's literally the opposite of what happens. I think that's taught in the lower grades even in your school, no?

Originally posted by leonidas
superman claims to 'not hold back' a lot. saying it doesn't drop his mental blocks. but i'm curious--to what do you attribute the general ineffectiveness of super speed punches then?

And even if we decide to hold it to real world logic/standards, there's still a valid reason for the phenomenon. A class 100 throwing a supersonic punch at full power is going to knock the person it hits a GREAT distance away at the speed in which the punch was thrown. The only way one could land multiple punches would be to make each punch significantly faster than the last, and the subsequent punches would still be less powerful than normal because the target is still moving backwards rather than being planted in place. The only exceptions would be characters like the Flash who could theoretically speed steal from the target so they were suspended in space so that each punch was delivered with maximum impact. Thus, other characters would HAVE to throw the punches just hard enough to hurt without them being so hard that it sends the victim flying if they wanted to land more than 1.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
In boxing matches, each punch in a fast flurry is never nearly as hard as a single power punch thrown outside of a flurry. A shoe shine doesn't produce a punch as hard as a dug in single blow.

I think that the energy idea is very viable.

If I use a full single power punch and then do the same but apply superhuman speed to it, the only difference is the amount of punches I've thrown.

What you're talking about is flurry jabs vs power punch. The difference here is, Superman uses multiple power punches ( in this case 400).

though, the art does suggest all he was doing was bitching slapping doomsday

👆
Goob
Touched on wut I was thinking. If we apply real physics to it that is. At least logically that's how it would really be Imo.

Then again I'm no physics professor.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
👆
Goob
Touched on wut I was thinking. If we apply real physics to it that is. At least logically that's how it would really be Imo.

Then again I'm no physics professor.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Yes, I'd rather apply logic, than what some writers think it's cool and didn't think through. That's why we have the PIS rule.

Increasing the speed of a punch doesn't decrease it's force - that's literally the opposite of what happens. I think that's taught in the lower grades even in your school, no?

It's just very curious how all of a sudden you're arguing for logical interpretation of what should happen instead of what does happen in regards to super-speed. By curious I mean not very surprising at all based on the OP and it being Superman but clearly for some reason, speedsters on average lose power for every punch that is being thrown. This isn't some extreme outlier, in fact I would argue the opposite is the outlier.

If a character is punched by some ridiculous number and is damaged as would be expected, that would be a shocker.

It's just an artistic tool.

Flashes are often fighting at lightspeed, and they still look like dug in power shots in most panels, but you have to realize that these are happening at the speed of light.

Look at Wally vs Zoom. Every time it stops the panel, they look like they're colliding like Superman vs Doomsday's final panels, but the battle took place in less than a second and circled the earth a bunch of times.

Flash and Zoom fighting at this speed, are still generating their mass, its just that the other guy also has an ever-reaching amount of mass equal to that.

Likewise, Flashes generated mass is the only reason the Flashes can even deliver/take shots from Superman level enemies.

Even when describing what became "IMP" in forum lore, he explicitly says he can do it to Zum a 1000 times before he can blink, but once should do it. It's just that back then, it was super rare for Wally to do combat feats at lightspeed. Since then, not so much.

There is no precedent that in these situations, moving and punching faster hurts less. In terms of the physics described by Flash over the years, it's moving SLOWER and swinging less is what causes them to hurt less.

Now everyone is as durable and tough as Doomsday or the Imperiex Probes 😂

Even Orion's helmet that has survived some hard core attacks got destroyed by Superman's punches.

I like The Nile I am reading in here.

Could someone post a scan of the characters mentioned tanking 4,000 Superman level punches so they can back up their claim?

Orion got an unknown amount of punches and his helmet got destroyed.

Doomsday is none of the guys mentioned

Imperiex Probes is also none of the guys mentioned and also most probes got destroyed with a lot less than 4000 punches, specially because Superman is letting it go like he would do with Doomsday but not with Orion. 🙂

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's just very curious how all of a sudden you're arguing for logical interpretation of what should happen instead of what does happen in regards to super-speed.

Sooo people are ignoring on panel evidence becuz......superman?