Superman VS Gauntlet.

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Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by leonidas
huh, maybe. it does seem some would make the case that it would do LESS damage than if he took his time and kicked more slowly. mmm

also that scene of superman and flash speaking in the diner speaks directly to how fast superman can speak, act and perceive things if he actively CHOOSES to focus on them. here is the scene again for those who don't remember it:

https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/90583/can-the-flash-and-superman-converse-at-supersonic-speed

interesting, though obviously inadmissible, are the author's thoughts at the bottom. for reference light would travel about the length of 3 hydrogen ATOMS in an attosecond. 😐

That's the part that "people" seem to miss. Superman doesn't just randomly flail around his arms at superspeed. His brain/perceptions can be switched, so that he can experience time on a nanosecond-to-nanosecond basis, for example. And while from his view every punch seem like a normal one, in 'our' normal time view, he delivers thousands in a fraction of time. Basically, other characters are statues whose synapses haven't even fired, while he lives in 'frozen time' and delivers punches as he likes.

leonidas MWHAHAHAHA!

yeah, there's really no way around the fact that the whole punching thing is anything but pis. /shrug

and the thing is, imo, this has nothing to do with the fact that it's superman we're talking about. this issue pertains to any character capable of reaching these levels of speed. i don't think many would contest the fact that wonder woman has light speed reflexes--ie is capable of moving her arms and hands at light speed. relativistic effects should apply to her as well.

i think it could be extended to marvel too, for those couple guys capable of light speed movement. but i honestly can't think of a time off-hand where the relative effects of speed were brought up in marvel. there must have been times, and i'm just not remembering them right now. no reason it wouldn't work the same. /shrug

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Yeah, Surfer should blitz Hulk and Thor in the arena.

Val armorr is an interesting case.. He doesn't really appear to have super speed, yet he's been established literally since day one of being able to react and counter super speed, so I'm not sure you should write that off as pis..

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by leonidas

i think it could be extended to marvel too, for those couple guys capable of light speed movement. but i honestly can't think of a time off-hand where the relative effects of speed were brought up in marvel. there must have been times, and i'm just not remembering them right now. no reason it wouldn't work the same. /shrug

Makkari a couple of times and it's been happening to Monica quite often.

Only ones that I can recall.

leonidas MWHAHAHAHA!

the effects wouldn't necessarily apply to monica in the sense we're talking about with the super speed bricks. she's energy so she's not throwing punches, but you're right--we've at least seen the impact on her senses and perceptions.

not sure i know what happened with mak. i recall when he was in hyperspeed, and i think i recall a time when this slowed down for him. is he currently a light speed guy? if so, he should benefit from these effects too. and given his natural strength level his blows could have some crazy levels of impact....

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, there's really no way around the fact that the whole punching thing is anything but pis. /shrug

and the thing is, imo, this has nothing to do with the fact that it's superman we're talking about. this issue pertains to any character capable of reaching these levels of speed. i don't think many would contest the fact that wonder woman has light speed reflexes--ie is capable of moving her arms and hands at light speed. relativistic effects should apply to her as well.

i think it could be extended to marvel too, for those couple guys capable of light speed movement. but i honestly can't think of a time off-hand where the relative effects of speed were brought up in marvel. there must have been times, and i'm just not remembering them right now. no reason it wouldn't work the same. /shrug

It's literally Quicksilver's entire existence.

http://i.imgur.com/smVQJGl.png
"I feel that because of the velocity"

He's used his speed punches to hurt Iron Man, High Evolutionary, etc.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/11114/111147613/4147462-2.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/gHz5uCc.png

And so on.

This shouldn't even be in discussion, increasing the speed of your punches doesn't make your punches weaker. That's quite retarded and I can't believe people even entertain that thought, instead of saying it's PIS.

DarkSaint85 Bonified abstract

Quicksilver did what a pissed off Rogue with Wonder Man inside her (tee-hee) couldn't, in that very same comic.

leonidas MWHAHAHAHA!

lol my friend phil the wordsmith.

anyway, i know that speed explains the reason for qs's punches--what i meant was i don't recall any scenes in marvel akin to the flash scenes, where speed and its effects are broken down and explained via relativity. you know some character saying "i'm moving at near light speed. at this speed the force of my blow due to my increased mass...."

not that exactly, of course. lol but you know what i'm trying to say. i hope. 😮

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Originally posted by leonidas
lol my friend phil the wordsmith.

anyway, i know that speed explains the reason for qs's punches--what i meant was i don't recall any scenes in marvel akin to the flash scenes, where speed and its effects are broken down and explained via relativity. you know some character saying "i'm moving at near light speed. at this speed the force of my blow due to my increased mass...."

not that exactly, of course. lol but you know what i'm trying to say. i hope. 😮

Makkari started experiencing red/blue shift while moving [which is a sign that he's approaching lightspeed]:

http://i.imgur.com/rW4eyFz.png

Nothing about mass, but then again he was up against armed mooks.

celeyhyga17 Yawning Void

Originally posted by leonidas
the effects wouldn't necessarily apply to monica in the sense we're talking about with the super speed bricks. she's energy so she's not throwing punches, but you're right--we've at least seen the impact on her senses and perceptions.

not sure i know what happened with mak. i recall when he was in hyperspeed, and i think i recall a time when this slowed down for him. is he currently a light speed guy? if so, he should benefit from these effects too. and given his natural strength level his blows could have some crazy levels of impact....


If Monica does it on panel I wouldn't be surprised. Punching physically at multiple times at super speed that is. She's been bumped up so much to the point where she's pulling moves out her ass like having a hard light form.

The other time with Mak is when he was amnesiac and rediscovering his power.

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Also..

Superman:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11128/111289255/5913630-infinite+mass+punch.jpg

Supergirl:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/7604/786977-moonbust.jpg

Flash:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11129/111291005/5277882-188ab910e3d26d431623ff71c58fa76c0f385d83_hq.jpg

And again, eyes of almost infinite mass:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11119/111198060/4400096-wally+west+is+fast+2.jpg