Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hence, PIS.Because we KNOW he can and has reacted to someone like Flash before when he's travelling far faster. So 4,000 punches in half a second is still laughably slow to someone who can fly from Pluto to Earth in the time it takes to teleport there.
So every character who flighs a light speed plus should be able to react to Superman's blows absent PIS right?
As for the Stamina? He's benched the Earth weights for five days straight without rest, and without sunlight. Even for humans, try benching 10kg (let alone 50 lol) for five days without rest or food/water.
After doing that, Superman has a bead of sweat and states that he can't recall sweating before. Yet that same Superman works up a sweat speed punching Orion (to little effect):
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GFqZcSMEwJM/UZ9Iy3vsd9I/AAAAAAAAYes/-9phUVH7-78/s1600/sm+20-01.jpg
And pre-Flashpoint Superman works up a sweat catching Flash:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103184/1920570-fastest_man_alive1.jpg
And has to catch his second wind against Konvikt:
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1c2acc4afe33c316b701a2c67da8461b-c
If people are worried that it's a DC thing, imagine this dialogue, but with Marvel telepaths. Does Prof X mind whammy and tell everyone to sleep as soon as the thread starts? Is that a yes? Well.... [/B]
There is far greater PIS with Surfer, yet Superman fans tend to not acknowledge that.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
But we are talking about extremely rapid fire punches right? I mean, If Sugar Ray is able to take 4 whole days to continually punch them with full power, then yes. But if it's a case of him throwing 10 punches per second for more than 11 hours, then those punches are going to be pitty pat punches because that is the only way that he can throw punches that fast. As I said before, it takes more time to throw a power punch due to the time it takes to plant, utilize your body and follow through. The suggestion here is that Superman gives up power in favor punch volume in this instance.And Superman doesn't have infinite stamina. You are giving superhuman stamina to a non-superhuman, but Superman's stamina is comparable to his strength and durability. So it's not unreasonable to surmise that combining mountain or planet shattering punches with superspeed would consume to much of Superman's energy, so he either does one or the other. In this case, he gives up power in favor of punch volume. This is supported by what has been consistently shown in the comics.
If Thor, Sentry and Hulk have been similarly bloodied far less punches that this, doesn't that support the weakness of Superman's punches in this instance?
I don't think that boxing commissions are concerned with that which is not realistic. A single flurry may have at most 5 or six punches.
Since you apparently has so much faith in your theory, I propose the following experiment.
1.-Take a picture of yourself.
2.-Go outside and find someone with your same physical attributes or maybe less.
3.- Tell that person to punch you in the face as fast and as hard as he can for as long as he can punch, until he gets tired. Tell him to have no regrets to punch you as long as he punches you as fast and hard, until he gets tired.
4.- Send another picture of your face after you got punched if you are still awake after he finishes with you.
5.- After you wake up from that coma I will accept your concession. If you don't get into a coma or if your face is almost near perfect after someone punched you like a 100 times in the face then I will accept your theory. 8)
Originally posted by TheHulkster
So every character who flighs a light speed plus should be able to react to Superman's blows absent PIS right?After doing that, Superman has a bead of sweat and states that he can't recall sweating before. Yet that same Superman works up a sweat speed punching Orion (to little effect):
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GFqZcSMEwJM/UZ9Iy3vsd9I/AAAAAAAAYes/-9phUVH7-78/s1600/sm+20-01.jpg
And pre-Flashpoint Superman works up a sweat catching Flash:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103184/1920570-fastest_man_alive1.jpg
And has to catch his second wind against Konvikt:
https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1c2acc4afe33c316b701a2c67da8461b-c
There is far greater PIS with Surfer, yet Superman fans tend to not acknowledge that.
That's....not the point I was making.
I was replying to your point about his lack of stamina. When he's actually had one of the best displays of stamina we have seen in recent years.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But he disabled the ship (which was traveling at lightspeed plus or whatever) by punching things out....as it was at FTL, within the space of a few metres (few hundred meters at most).I mean, he was deliberately aiming and targeting things, which were at FTL.
Thor catches up to and engages the defenses of Scuttlebutt while it travels several times the speed of light. Can we declare Thor as being able to fight as light speed?
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Since you apparently has so much faith in your theory, I propose the following experiment.1.-Take a picture of yourself.
2.-Go outside and find someone with your same physical attributes or maybe less.
3.- Tell that person to punch you in the face as fast and as hard as he can for as long as he can punch, until he gets tired. Tell him to have no regrets to punch you as long as he punches you as fast and hard, until he gets tired.
4.- Send another picture of your face after you got punched if you are still awake after he finishes with you.
5.- After you wake up from that coma I will accept your concession. If you don't get into a coma or if your face is almost near perfect after someone punched you like a 100 times in the face then I will accept your theory. 8)
Ok, well lets do this. Find a friend who is you equal in strength. Try to rip them in half using your strength. If you fail in doing so, will you concede that Superman ripping Doomsday in half is PIS?
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Ok, well lets do this. Find a friend who is you equal in strength. Try to rip them in half using your strength. If you fail in doing so, will you concede that Superman ripping Doomsday in half is PIS?
That argument is on that thread -------------------------->>>>>
Here we are talking about Superman KOing someone after they get punched 4000 times in the face, lets keep on point, please.
superman doesn't have to move light speed to hit.
https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111275309/5409983-flashkick.jpg
half of light speed=a MASSIVE amount of force. i'm curious--those arguing against the idea of pis: what if we replaced flash with superman in that scene? what would that kick be capable of doing?
huh, maybe. it does seem some would make the case that it would do LESS damage than if he took his time and kicked more slowly. mmm
also that scene of superman and flash speaking in the diner speaks directly to how fast superman can speak, act and perceive things if he actively CHOOSES to focus on them. here is the scene again for those who don't remember it:
interesting, though obviously inadmissible, are the author's thoughts at the bottom. for reference light would travel about the length of 3 hydrogen ATOMS in an attosecond. 😐
Originally posted by carver9
He was trained on how to throw super speed flurries which means that I'm not giving him the benefit of knowing how to throw those same punches with the accuracy and power we are saying here, especially since this is something that was used by Flash (his teacher) and has been next to unimpressive when he use it
I honestly have no idea what point you're trying to make.
It is just a matter of heavy bias because Superman.
Honestly. I don't think Superman would be awake after a flurry of 4000 Mjolnir strikes. But in this case is Superman vs some Marvel characters and the bias against Superman is showing.
Superman would clear it shit stomp this gauntlet and all of the recipients of the punches will be KOed at least, if not flat out dead or in a coma.
Originally posted by abhilegendermm
I think the difference here is,
Against doomsday, it's more like punching a speed bag and here its like he's punching a heavy bag and using more power and speed while with doomsday he was just using speed like quick jabs.
I have no doubt that he would have knocked out doomsday if he used the same type of punches he used on Lobo.
The first scan, he's facing doomsday just like you would face a speed bag instead of slightly turned to the side which will help with punching power.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
He disables a ship that is traveling at light speed. What does this have to do with combat speed? He's not shown throwing anything. Only you throwing a fit.
Lulzworthy retort as always.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
He disables a ship that is traveling at light speed. What does this have to do with combat speed? He's not shown throwing anything. Only you throwing a fit.
By specifically targeting anything that looked like an engine.
That's like being handed a book, and highlighting anything that looks like a verb. You can't just blindly highlight everything.
