Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZAs I’ve explained in other threads, HoTlander starts off his career as a very strong Jedi, and continues to grow in power quite fast. Barsen’thor who gets his best feat in act I+Satele in her prime is inferior to Act I HoT, and there is also significant gap between Act II HoT and Act III HoT (he moves from Scourge level to significantly above him). In SoR/early-KOTFE, it is safe to assume that he would grow more powerful, not to mention that he became a battlemaster.
Reasoning?
Now, that title doesn’t mean much because of other low-level combatants who are known to be battle masters. However, they don’t have HoT’s power. This is important, because as I’ve already said a couple times, a Jedi’s dueling capabilities are determined by their strength and speed, which are determined by their Force amp based on their power. Now, the Hero is extremely powerful, as I will explain later on, so his force amp that gives him speed and strength should be in parallel with that. Skill is the other factor, which we know that the HoTlander is a melee specialist and has mastered all of the lightsaber forms.
The safest way of gauging HoT’s power is his Act III feats. He fights his way through Dromund Kaas and Vitiate’s elite, on a dark side nexus that was so strong, that even in the later centuries (which most likely made the nexus less potent), it made Kyle Katarn barely feel his connection to the Force. Jaina, Luke and Yoda struggled with it as well. After the already disadvantageous position he was in, wasting time against Vitiate who was rebuilding his power made things even harder when he faced him. After Vitiate was struck down, which made him lose a lot of his power (even sent to him to a state where he couldn’t return to physical form by himself). Yet, he was able to bring down a huge portion of the temple down. It is pretty logical and straightforward to assume that he was at least as powerful as he was after being struck down in his fight against the Hero.
So, with this power that amps him greatly, plus his confirm technical mastery and orientation as a melee/saber combatant, it is a very conservative calculation to say that HoT is SoD Maul level.
Arcann is a better duelist and RAGDOLLS him. Unless you think that Vader can easily ragdoll SoD Maul, you would have to accept Arcann is at least Vader level.
Now, the Outlander already slightly surpasses Arcann in KOTFE, who in return is significantly below Vaylin in the Force, and in KOTET, Vaylin stalemates Arcann in sabers. This happens before Vaylin unlocks her powers later on in KOTET. The Outlander is in the same tier with peak Vaylin in the Force, and is the better duelist.
Again, unless you think Vader >>>>>> SoD Maul/ROTS Kenobi tier, there is no way that he can compete with the Outlander in his prime.
Yes, Vader would ragdoll SoD Maul when he ragdolled fucking Starkiller, who'd also ragdoll the HoT. On top that we have his extensive power growth after that and his canonical superiority to Dooku and arguably KF Vader, which put him in the ballpark of Yoda and RotS Palpatine, not to mention Lucas' statement about him outright possessing 80% of his Master's power.
Originally posted by Azronger
Yes, Vader would ragdoll SoD Maul when he ragdolled fucking Starkiller, who'd also ragdoll the HoT. On top that we have his extensive power growth after that and his canonical superiority to Dooku and arguably KF Vader, which put him in the ballpark of Yoda and RotS Palpatine, not to mention Lucas' statement about him outright possessing 80% of his Master's power.
Ignoring the fact that Starkiller had; fought off Imperial boarding forces, overcharged a cannon that split a Star Destroyer in half, shifted cruiser debris, guided the descent of a 300 meter ship while simultaneously shielding it from the heat of atmospheric reentry, blew apart 150 meters of ship and fought through the Kaminoan complex before facing Vader and that Vader's "ragdoll" amounted to little more then a momentary Force grip with the two still fighting evenly when Vader was "doing everything in his power to stop him."