Originally posted by HaschwalthI did skip that part (only became a subscriber the other day).
Did you skip the destruction of ziost part, anyway he doesn't have any decent feats during the expansion, as If he did, it would lead to him growing in power, which he already is too high for the MC's to defeat.
Shit? Really? I'm peddling shit now? When the blurb is canon?
"Lucasfilm canon refers to anything produced by any of the Lucas companies, whether it be movies, books, games, or internet."
Leland Chee
And the blurb happens to be produced by Lucas books, a Lucas company. It's canon.
Does it apply to Valk? I'm afraid it does.
"Valkorion is an ancient SITH entity with the power to possess and control the bodies of others, using them as puppets to enforce his will on the galaxy. The Immortal Emperor is his latest mask and Zakuul his greatest, most ambitious endeavor: an idealistic playground where he can shed his past and experience a new life unburdened by archaic Sith teachings. A manipulative survivor, Valkorion pinpoints the weaknesses of both friends and enemies alike, twisting them to serve his purpose. He believes the entire galaxy is his to shape and will stop at nothing to reach his goals."
The Old Republic Codex: Valkorion
And "unburdened by archaic Sith teachings" doesn't mean he isn't Sith. It just means he doesn't want more archaic teachings in his life. And archaic teachings are not all teachings. You can be Sith and care not about the archaic- Darth Maul, Darth Vader being a few examples.
Valkorion is Sith and the blurb is canon. Thus making Plagueis better than him. And there are more things, such as Valkorion failing to achieve immortality in thousands of years and Plagueis doing so in decades. But I can elaborate on that later.
Shit? Really? I'm peddling shit now? When the blurb is canon?
Yeah, you really are. Especially since Chee's recent quote made blurbs but all but useless in debates.
"Lucasfilm canon refers to anything produced by any of the Lucas companies, whether it be movies, books, games, or internet."
Does it apply to Valk? I'm afraid it does.
Yeah, Valkorion is an ancient Sith entity - because he was born a pure blood Sith, and he is now an entity, kinda how a human spirit is referred to as human in its moniker, even though it certainly is anything but a human.
So basically, you're saying a quote hailing Usain Bolt as the fastest human on Earth would apply to a human apparition, too?
That, plus the fact Valkorion himself says he isn't a Sith anymore, and the Zakuul, an order he created, specifically not aligning with the dark nor light sides of the Force, makes it rather clear he isn't a Sith Lord anymore.
And there are more things, such as Valkorion failing to achieve immortality in thousands of years and Plagueis doing so in decades. But I can elaborate on that later
If Plagueis actually did achieve immortality, he wouldn't have died.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yeah, Valkorion is an ancient Sith entity - because he was born a pure blood Sith, and he is now an entity, kinda how a human spirit is referred to as a human in its moniker even though it certainly is anything but a human.If Plagueis actually did achieve immortality, he wouldn't have died.
The argument is that once something becomes an entity their former species no longer matters. It's not an argument I agree with myself, but... *Shrug*
Tbf, I think he's referring to aging immortality.
The argument is that once something becomes an entity their former species no longer matters. It's not an argument I agree with myself, but... *Shrug*
You can say that, but unless I see something that makes it mutually exclusive, I'm gonna stick to the interpretation that makes more sense in the context of the character.
Tbf, I think he's referring to aging immortality.
Even then, a low-level chump like Darth Scabrous was gonna become immortal in a far shorter time than Valkorion too, I guess he is > Valkorion as well? 😂
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
You can say that, but unless I see something that makes it mutually exclusive, I'm gonna stick to the interpretation that makes more sense in the context of the character.Even then, a low-level chump like Darth Scabrous was gonna become immortal in a far shorter time than Valkorion too, I guess he is > Valkorion as well? 😂
As I mentioned, I don't hold those opinions myself. Just explaining the stances of the opposition.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yeah, Valkorion is an ancient Sith entity - because he was born a pure blood Sith, and he is now an entity, kinda how a human spirit is referred to as [b]human in its moniker, even though it certainly is anything but a human.That, plus the fact Valkorion himself says he isn't a Sith anymore, and the Zakuul, an order he created, specifically not aligning with the dark nor light sides of the Force, makes it rather clear he isn't a Sith Lord anymore.
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Finally someone gets it lol
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Noice. Got a quote?
Those weren't the exact words, but here it is:
As years go by, he becomes more and more dissatisfied with the Sith Empire he’s created. He finds himself increasingly distanced from the Sith philosophy that first brought him to power and sees it as a dead end (as he expresses several times in KOTFE/KOTET) and, with the immense power at his disposal, begins striking out in search of something better. This is when his “long periods of silence” begin.He discovers Zakuul, which is in a comparatively primitive state (by Star Wars tech standards, anyway) and dominates Valkorion, as he describes in KOTET Chapter 2. He learns the ancient legends of the gods, of the Eternal Fleet, etc, and investigates them with his considerabe resources.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Those weren't the exact words, but here it is: