Yeah, he was lead writer until late 2015, which is when Valkorion came along. He's still their lead creative director, too. He prefaced his statements with this:
Since Valkorion is one of the biggest discussion points lately, and it’s been a while so I feel like it’s free range to discuss, I’ll just lay out everything we had in mind for Vitiate/Valkorion and y’all can have something concrete to discuss and/or kick me about 🙂
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yeah, he was lead writer until late 2015, which is when Valkorion came along. He's still their lead creative director, too. He prefaced his statements with this:
I mean Valk got the outladner to train with them. Besides it seems marr and satele drew their conclusions from sesnsing valk in the outlander and/or the empire of zakuul's force philosophy.
I'll elaborate on the latter. The supposedly expanded philosophy of zakuul which allows them to wield the force differently is that they draw power from their loyalty to Valkorian. In other words, looking at the events of the game as a whole, Valk basically created this philosophy based around servitude to himself and then took advantage of the enslaved civilization in a convoluted plot to take control of the entire galaxy. While the philosophy of the fckers he duped may be different, Valk's actions work perfectly in line with the philosophy of the sith/darkside.
2. it's oerfectly plausible they're falling valk's bs here when you consider that they're also molding the outlander exactly into what valk wants him to be as he plots for galactic control, an objective which is as sith as anything.
it is, because valk's factually a sith, and no objective statements actually contradict that, not to mention valk's ending objective is exactly the same as your typical sith lord.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
All I see is baseless rambling and conjecture, lel. The quote itself isn't even concrete, as I offered a yet to be debunked argument on why already.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Valkorion isn't a Sith Lord, end of conversation - get over it and cry somewhere else. [/B]
Originally posted by Deronn_solo👆
All I see is baseless rambling and conjecture, lel. The quote itself isn't even concrete, as I offered a yet to be debunked argument on why already.Valkorion isn't a Sith Lord, end of conversation - get over it and cry somewhere else.
We know for a fact that Arcann's unique application of the Force makes it really hard for Sith/Jedi to fight him. For some reason, Arcann being against Valk and Sith having trouble fighting it tells me that Valk's new philosophy isn't as shallow as fooling everyone into serving him and faking being Sith. I guess I'm just weird like that.
Originally posted by Sinious
👆We know for a fact that Arcann's unique application of the Force makes it really hard for Sith/Jedi to fight him. For some reason, Arcann being against Valk and Sith having trouble fighting it tells me that Valk's new philosophy isn't as shallow as fooling everyone into serving him and faking being Sith. I guess I'm just weird like that.
What unique application? TOR did terrible in trying this new Force then...when there's nothing really new about it. It's still The Force, it's still TK, it's still Lighting, it's still everything that the Force always was.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Did you even read my argument to TheSithMaster on the last page? Debunk my Sith Entity argument before wasting my time further.
I'd hate to waste your time though
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I mean Valk got the outladner to train with them. Besides it seems marr and satele drew their conclusions from sesnsing valk in the outlander and/or the empire of zakuul's force philosophy.
Valk actually never directly mentions Satele and Marr to the Outlander, nor does he lead the Outlander to them. Satele and Marr are speaking of this new force philosophy based on their experiences fighting the Knights of Zakuul. Satele and Marr also explain how their jedi and sith philosophies/techniques/perspectives were insufficient to defeat Arcann and his Knights. Not only that, but they have the Outlander create a weapon specifically tailored to fight against Arcann and his application of the force. It's painfully clear that this new force philosophy is more than just some ruse by Valkorion. 😂
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I'll elaborate on the latter. The supposedly expanded philosophy of zakuul which allows them to wield the force differently is that they draw power from their loyalty to Valkorian. In other words, looking at the events of the game as a whole, Valk basically created this philosophy based around servitude to himself and then took advantage of the enslaved civilization in a convoluted plot to take control of the entire galaxy. While the philosophy of the fckers he duped may be different, Valk's actions work perfectly in line with the philosophy of the sith/darkside.
This is completely irrelevant. When there's a billion statements stating that Valk isn't a sith, a force philosophy created by Valkorion that is completely different than that of the jedi and sith, and a training montage for the Outlander to shed his past limitations as a jedi, (or sith) in order to combat Arcann, you know that Valkorion isn't a sith. A codex that's validity is questionable doesn't take precedence over what actually occurs in the source material. That Valkorion wanted to rule the galaxy (under his new force philosophy and vision, mind you) is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
2. it's oerfectly plausible they're falling valk's bs here when you consider that they're also molding the outlander exactly into what valk wants him to be as he plots for galactic control, an objective which is as sith as anything.
This is completely false. Marr states that even Valkorion's force philosophy is not the ultimate perspective on the force, proving that Marr is not molding the Outlander into what Valkorion wants him to be. 👆
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
it is, because valk's factually a sith, and no objective statements actually contradict that, not to mention valk's ending objective is exactly the same as your typical sith lord.
Lmao. 👇
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Your assertion that what valk "is" isn't relevant as he's now an entity but what he "was" holds relevance is baseless.
Your example falls flat because while a human apparition isn't a human, it also isn't a sith(species)I'd hate to waste your time though
Kbro, the context from playing the game made it clear, as his whole empire's philosophy is not revolved around Sith Philosophy in which any Sith does. The writer makes it clear that he, left that philosophy, which is backed by several quotes. Valkorian himself then states he is not sith. meaning the context backs the notion that Valkorian has left the title Sith, in pursuit of something else. Revan uses the darkside of the force and does not describe himself as sith, why can't Valkorian.
Quite frankly you are grasping at straws, which doesn't fit the narrative that is being portrayed.