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Originally posted by Sinious
Saying that Satele was trying to act cool and made shit up to stay relevant and this is all just bad writing is one of the worst arguments I have ever seen. No offense.

In any case, the fact that there is no revelations about such a major plot twist/deceit that is heavily relevant to the story+Satele's own experiences, virtuous character, knowledge of the Force++the fact that Arcann and co or the rest of zakuul never noticed anything different after Valk died/they betrayed him, which didn't draw any attention >>>>>>>>>>> your baseless opinions

That's what I was saying, the 'new' philosophy didn't amount to anything.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
His endgame has absolutely nothing to do with being a sith. 👆

He actually wants to enforce his new philosophy on the galaxy. A philosophy that is neither jedi or sith, as has been explained numerous times.

We need agree/disagree/like buttons, on the posts.

No, it didnt amount to the shallow assumption of "Valk is faking his new philosophy to get servants and appear as non-Sith".

You still did not explain why Satele decided to betray everything she lived for, lied to everyone and manipulated the Outlander and wasted his time, just like you did not explain why Arcan and co didn't notice that his Father's philosophy is BS.

Also, I'm curious what you think about Zakuul being a balance between light and dark.

Originally posted by Sinious
No, it didnt amount to the shallow assumption of "Valk is faking his new philosophy to get servants and appear as non-Sith".

You still did not explain why Satele decided to betray everything she lived for, lied to everyone and manipulated the Outlander and wasted his time, just like you did not explain why Arcan and co didn't notice that his Father's philosophy is BS.

Also, I'm curious what you think about Zakuul being a balance between light and dark.

I'm not explaining, because that's not what I'm saying at all.

All I was pointing out, was that Valk's philosophy wasn't some new avenue with how to use The Force.

It doesn't have to be outright superior. The fact that it is different and new (so unknown) making it harder for Sith/Jedi to fight them makes sense, and Satele's experience/observations/knowledge on this is much more reliable than your opinion, especially when her opinion fits in with the entire story much better.

The important point here is that it is DIFFERENT.

Originally posted by Sinious
It doesn't have to be outright superior. The fact that it is different and new (so unknown) making it harder for Sith/Jedi to fight them makes sense, and Satele's experience/observations/knowledge on this is much more reliable than your opinion, especially when her opinion fits in with the entire story much better.

The important point here is that it is DIFFERENT.

How is it hard to fight against them or any different, when it was still just TK, Lighting and the like...the same powers that the Jedi and Sith use? What would be so different, that it'd be difficult to fight them? Even then, this difficulty apparently didn't last.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
How is it hard to fight against them or any different, when it was still just TK, Lighting and the like...the same powers that the Jedi and Sith use?

We dunno. It supposedly has something about it that makes it different, some new philosophy, but we do not see that philosophy, we do not see the idea, we do not see the difference in approach, how exactly this boring overdone "balance" works, we do not see any difference in their training, in their skills... nothing, lol. There definitely IS something like this, everything supports that (Satele on top, the story itself too)... but it is nowhere demonstrated. We're just supposed to believe there is a difference, lmao.

Just terrible writing to the boot.

👆

Not sure why it is so hard to understand this.

Ok Sin I think we got crossed somewhere, because I was agreeing with that.

You got crossed where you said this:

All I was pointing out, was that Valk's philosophy wasn't some new avenue with how to use The Force.

The point is that it definitely is a new avenue with which how to use the force, but like bart said, that's not truly expressed in any way, shape, or form.

Didn't sidious tell Anakin they studied both the light and the darkside, didn't plagueis have something like that too?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
His endgame has absolutely nothing to do with being a sith. 👆

He actually wants to enforce his new philosophy on the galaxy. A philosophy that is neither jedi or sith, as has been explained numerous times.

I guess I fail to see why it can't fit with Sith. Bane had a different philosophy on the force from the Sith yet he was still a Sith. I fail to see how this is different.

Simply having a different view on the force does not necessarily make one not a Sith.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Didn't sidious tell Anakin they studied both the light and the darkside, didn't plagueis have something like that too?

They did, but never integrated it into their sith philosophy, in anyway.

@Ares

Did you read through a single post in this thread?

Originally posted by ares834
I guess I fail to see why it can't fit with Sith. Bane had a different philosophy on the force from the Sith yet he was still a Sith. I fail to see how this is different.

Simply having a different view on the force does not necessarily make one not a Sith.

It was different with Bane because he was attempting to perpetuate the Sith order, just in a different way. It's stated by Boyd that Vitiate found Sith philosophy in general to be a "dead end" and that's what led him to seek out Zakuul, where he fell in love with their philosophy.

Originally posted by Sinious
@Ares

Did you read through a single post in this thread?

Chill 🙂

I like ares 🙂

Originally posted by Sinious
@Ares

Did you read through a single post in this thread?

I read it all. And it's absolute nonsense. The philosophy argument is self defeating. At it's most basic level, the way Sith view the force is ridiculously open ended. Sure, various characters may say Valkorion is not a Sith or does not follow their philosophy. But we see this happen with various other characters like Bane and Krayt. Guess what, they are still Sith.

So sure, perhaps Valkorion's view is different from the Sith's current philosophy. But that does not mean it is incompatible from the basic one (IE the rule of the strong etc...) that we see in various other Sith Orders.

"The Knights are united under their zealous devotion to their Eternal Emperor and their equally dogmatic adherence to their sense of justice. Believing that the force should only be used to enforce the law, the Knights of Zakuul explore all avenues of the Force. Encouraged to find balance while simultaneously exploring their limits, the Knights' relationship with the Force prevents them from viewing the enigmatic power as either light or dark.

The Knights are encouraged to share their findings with all of their pupils. This allows the order to act as a fluid cohesive whole, constantly testing their seemingly limitless prowess with the Force. However, regardless of their ability, Knights acted to honor the Immortal Emperor. They were expected, and often gladly did, sacrifice materials or life simply to reinforce their commitment to the throne."

Yeah, that doesn't mix with Sith Ideology.

Seems fairly similar to Krayt's One Sith.

Edit: And regardless, Valkorion certainly does not act like one of the Knights.

Originally posted by ares834
Seems fairly similar to Krayt's One Sith.

Edit: And regardless, Valkorion certainly does not act like one of the Knights.

Similar apart from the whole, strive for Balance, and the whole no light or dark view.
Which is a big no for Sith ideology.

Edit: doesn't change the fact that he has opened himself to the lightside view, and integrated it.