Azog the Defiler vs Oberyn

Originally posted by omgchos
It's actually pretty funny. I see the appeal of actually responding now. Its ironic as hell. He wants evidence but offers almost non, save an opinion. Then when you offer it he plugs his ears and yells "la la la la" i guess nothing much has changed since ive been gone.

At this point its pretty much proven, The Red Vipor is the victor. Im not wasting any more time reciting the same facts over and over again only to have the question dodged and be insulted by a 3 year old, lol.

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Originally posted by Impediment
I've been asked to step in to make a ruling on the matter at hand.

The primary issue in contention is the use of novelizations/book adaptations.

I refer you all to the MVF Golden Rule: What happens on screen is canon. Movie feats only.

I allow certain feats, for example, from the Star Trek television series because of the direct tie in to the movies.

Books, in my opinion, are waters I choose not to tread into. A novelization of, say, an Indiana Jones movie, while much more elaborate in wording and pace, is still not a movie; it's merely an written adaptation that, as history suggests, will improvise, elaborate, and possibly alter certain aspects of the movie it is adapting. The same goes with comic books, manga, and other written works pertaining to certain movies.

Therefore, the ruling is that a written adaptation of this film, as well as cast/crew commentaries made after the film has been completed, screened, and transferred to home media, will not be allowable. Movie feats only, please.

A much, much more suitable area for this kind of debate is, of course, the All Versus Forum where ALL source material is allowed.

Originally posted by Nibedicus

Movie feats only. The fact here is the OP NEVER STATED that Oberyn was limitted to the poison he used against the Mountain.

Therefore, ALL OBERYNS POISONS ARE VALID FOR THESE MATCH. Once more, Oberyn has a big closeth of poisons to pick from. No breaking of rule is being done by ATTRIBUTING A CHARACTER'S KNOWN FEATS, and which havent been retcon by the movie.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Movie feats only. The fact here is the OP NEVER STATED that Oberyn was limitted to the poison he used against the Mountain.

Therefore, ALL OBERYNS POISONS ARE VALID FOR THESE MATCH. Once more, Oberyn has a big closeth of poisons to pick from. No breaking of rule is being done by ATTRIBUTING A CHARACTER'S KNOWN FEATS, and which havent been retcon by the movie.

Also Books, in my opinion, are waters I choose not to tread into. A novelization of, say, an Indiana Jones movie, while much more elaborate in wording and pace, is still not a movie; it's merely an written adaptation that, as history suggests, will improvise, elaborate, and possibly alter certain aspects of the movie it is adapting. The same goes with comic books, manga, and other written works pertaining to certain movies.

Only the series counts. If you want the books go to the foreign cinema. This is the films or tv series only.

Quanchi is just supporting Azog based on pure FANATISM.

There is no pointnin arguing with someone who puts personal feelings before evidence and logic.

He will just keep bringing misinterpreted rules in order to favor the scale for Azog.

Either way, a slower poison would still bring down Azog eventually. That is certain.

One way or another Azog loses this one. PERIOD.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Quanchi is just supporting Azog based on pure FANATISM.

There is no pointnin arguing with someone who puts personal feelings before evidence and logic.

He will just keep bringing misinterpreted rules in order to favor the scale for Azog.

Either way, a slower poison would still bring down Azog eventually. That is certain.

[B]One way or another Azog loses this one. PERIOD. [/B]

You're ignoring the rules trying to give him other feats based off the books and ignoring his behavior on screen to reach your conclusion.

You ignoring the rules out of stubborn behavior or fanaticism which I spelled correctly is your own problem.

Azog wins due to superior strength, durability, damage soak, etc. Gregor survived being impaled to kill Oberyn despite the poison. Not very strong stuff, obviously.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Says the guy who fanaticism wrong over and over again despite me correcting him.

You're ignoring the rules trying to give him other feats based off the books and ignoring his behavior on screen to reach your conclusion.

You ignoring the rules out of stubborn behavior or fanaticism which I spelled correctly is your own problem.

Azog wins due to superior strength, durability, damage soak, etc. Gregor survived being impaled to kill Oberyn despite the poison. Not very strong stuff, obviously.

Am not the one CONSTANTLY SAYING that LoTR is superior to no one! First proof of your fanaticism

You are ignoring basic movie/show info and molding the rules to favor you character! The Show is based on the Book! All info in the book is valid for the show UNLESS DISCLAIMED BY THIS. PERIOD.

But once again, your fanaticism won't let you see things clearly.

Azog loses, the poison will still affect him. Oberyn can dodge him for an hour if he needs to!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS2IYyywZMs

Oberyn vs The Mountain!

Oberyn was child playing with Gregor!.

Azog dies, whether your fanaticism admits it or not!

Azog isn't faster, nor smarter, nor more cunning than Oberyn! Your Orc dies.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Am not the one CONSTANTLY SAYING that LoTR is superior to no one! First proof of your [B]fanaticism

You are ignoring basic movie/show info and molding the rules to favor you character! The Show is based on the Book! All info in the book is valid for the show UNLESS DISCLAIMED BY THIS. PERIOD.

But once again, your fanaticism won't let you see things clearly.

Azog loses, the poison will still affect him. Oberyn can dodge him for an hour if he needs to!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS2IYyywZMs

Oberyn vs The Mountain!

Oberyn was child playing with Gregor!.

Azog dies, whether your fanaticism admits it or not!

Azog isn't faster, nor smarter, nor more cunning than Oberyn! Your Orc dies. [/B]

Someone quoted the rules and I posted the exact wording disqualifying the books.

Books, in my opinion, are waters I choose not to tread into. A novelization of, say, an Indiana Jones movie, while much more elaborate in wording and pace, is still not a movie; it's merely an written adaptation that, as history suggests, will improvise, elaborate, and possibly alter certain aspects of the movie it is adapting. The same goes with comic books, manga, and other written works pertaining to certain movies.

Oberyn didn't show he had the stamina to fight for 25 minutes let alone an hour. Unfounded claim. He didn't avoid Gregor for five minutes. He got his spear broken and was tossed inside of five minutes.

Oberyn was killed by someone inferior to Azog and what's worse is the slower Gregor still managed to break his weapon thus disproving your claims he can easily avoid someone for an hour.

Azog never pulled out a weapon from a downed opponent like Oberyn. That's dumb. Oberyn is quicker but he's far less durable and can't withstand one brutal attack from Azog who has dealt with faster, skilled opponents before. Azog breaks the spear if he has to and Oberynndoesnt have another one here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Lotr is superior based off the evidence. More superhuman stuff there than in GoT. Blame HBO.

Someone quoted the rules and I posted the exact wording disqualifying the books.

[B]Books, in my opinion, are waters I choose not to tread into. A novelization of, say, an Indiana Jones movie, while much more elaborate in wording and pace, is still not a movie; it's merely an written adaptation that, as history suggests, will improvise, elaborate, and possibly alter certain aspects of the movie it is adapting. The same goes with comic books, manga, and other written works pertaining to certain movies.

Oberyn didn't show he had the stamina to fight for 25 minutes let alone an hour. Unfounded claim. He didn't avoid Gregor for five minutes. He got his spear broken and was tossed inside of five minutes.

Oberyn was killed by someone inferior to Azog and what's worse is the slower Gregor still managed to break his weapon thus disproving your claims he can easily avoid someone for an hour.

Azog never pulled out a weapon from a downed opponent like Oberyn. That's dumb. Oberyn is quicker but he's far less durable and can't withstand one brutal attack from Azog who has dealt with faster, skilled opponents before. Azog breaks the spear if he has to and Oberynndoesnt have another one here. [/B]

Not willing to keep discussin the same points over.

You are blinded, you wont take facts, nor evidence, nor logic.

I think itis pretty clear Oberyn wins. At least this time other people also supported my claim....cant say am senseless nor impartial nor do i follow favoritism.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Not willing to keep discussin the same points over.

You are blinded, you wont take facts, nor evidence, nor logic.

I think itis pretty clear Oberyn wins. At least this time other people also supported my claim....cant say am senseless nor impartial nor do i follow favoritism.

In your mind I'm sure but the evidence points to a different outcome. Azog wins. Bigger, stronger, more durable, more experience, and far greater damage soak.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to the same rules being ignorance and the same advantages Azog has being ignored.

In your mind I'm sure but the evidence points to a different outcome. Azog wins. Bigger, stronger, more durable, more experience, and far greater damage soak.

Other people supported my claim so isnt like I am inventing nor making up evidence.

But in the end your opinion is always respected.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Other people supported my claim so isnt like I am inventing nor making up evidence.

But in the end your opinion is always respected.

I just tend to get passionate about my schedule.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say you made up your conclusion but saying he uses other poison when we don't see him using it on the series is.

I just tend to get passionate about my schedule.

Hum.

I dont agree with that. A character is able to use his abilities although it wasnt seen on screen, specially if the OP didnt specify.

GoT didnt Show A LOT OF THINGS FROM ASOIF but that doesnt mean it isnt there. Simply they couldnt put everything in the shows...too little episodes..

But it doesnt mean Oberyn only has 1 poison.

Again your opinion is respected.

YouTube video

Preeety sure this means Oberyn dislikes the use of other poisons because he can't be bothered making them. Instead, he intentionally sticks to Manticore venom.

Also, I have to wonder about selective memory at times in this board, because Azog infact DOES wear armor.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Hum.

I dont agree with that. A character is able to use his abilities although it wasnt seen on screen, specially if the OP didnt specify.

GoT didnt Show A LOT OF THINGS FROM ASOIF but that doesnt mean it isnt there. Simply they couldnt put everything in the shows...too little episodes..

But it doesnt mean Oberyn only has 1 poison.

No, that's exactly what it means based on the rules. Oberyn only used Manticore Venom, which means he only has Manticore Venom. We don't say Jon killed someone with Longclaw before he got the sword because hd didn't. So we can't say Oberyn used poisons he clearly didn't use.

It's a moot point though, as it took forever for Mountain to go down. And Azog is not only more powerful than him in every way, but there's no proof the venom will even work on him. Orcs and Uruk's are essentially birthed from a corrupted sack of goop.

Originally posted by KingD19
No, that's exactly what it means based on the rules. Oberyn only used Manticore Venom, which means he only has Manticore Venom. We don't say Jon killed someone with Longclaw before he got the sword because hd didn't. So we can't say Oberyn used poisons he clearly didn't use.

It's a moot point though, as it took forever for Mountain to go down. And Azog is not only more powerful than him in every way, but there's no proof the venom will even work on him. Orcs and Uruk's are essentially birthed from a corrupted sack of goop.

And on top of this, if we do use book lore, they are essentially the decendants of tortured and corrupted Elves, so.... yeah, that.

azog still got ****ed up by a dwarf

oberyn wins