POLL - Darth Maul: TPM vs Rebels

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Hmm not heard from KT since Rebels Kenobi blitzed Maul. He must still be having the longest orgasm in human history.

Ya know, not that I have a stake in this fight or anything. But why is it all of a sudden we are ignoring physical decline for Maul, yet this is brought up against for guys like Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan and Dooku? Unless I'm not reading right, but from the posts, sounds like "oh force augmentation, force augmentation!" just to try and ignore any physical decline....

Will respond relatively soon Zig. I'm being lazy.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Ya know, not that I have a stake in this fight or anything. But why is it all of a sudden we are ignoring physical decline for Maul, yet this is brought up against for guys like Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan and Dooku? Unless I'm not reading right, but from the posts, sounds like "oh force augmentation, force augmentation!" just to try and ignore any physical decline....

Originally posted by ILS
Will respond relatively soon Zig. I'm being lazy.
It needs to be assessed on a case-by-case bass. The three you mentioned, at least in Legends, all have quotes clearly stating they declined physically. Whereas you have characters in their 50s or 60s like Mace Windu, Darth Sidious, 900 year old Yoda, 60 year old Darth Malgus, 40-50 year old Bane, 150+ Darth Krayt, 150+ Plagueis, who, by all appearances, haven't declined physically in a meaningful way.

Hm? I mean without Force augmentation, like straight physicals, we do know that Yoda isn't as physically able since the cane thing without the Force aiding him. Also doesn't Krayt have that whole resurrection shenanigans thing going for him? Also wasn't in the last book, it was noted Bane got weaker...or was that something else?

Fair enough on Malgus I guess, didn't know he was at 60 years.

They all got weaker physically, but, their Force power compensated for it, and their overall power increased.

We just don't know if Maul's Force power compensated or not.

Originally posted by ILS
They all got weaker physically, but, their Force power compensated for it, and their overall power increased.

We just don't know if Maul's Force power compensated or not.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by ChocolateMuesli
we need arhael back to restore balance to the force

Wow. You are taking me back a few years.

Originally posted by ILS
They all got weaker physically, but, their Force power compensated for it, and their overall power increased.

The more powerful the force user, the more powerful the augmentation.

Or as Yoda would put it:
https://youtu.be/XMdR9iAflKo?t=11s

not always, jinn was slower than tpm obi wan and malgus was slower than leneer

Originally posted by ChocolateMuesli
not always, jinn was slower than tpm obi wan and malgus was slower than leneer

Originally posted by ChocolateMuesli
not always, jinn was slower than tpm obi wan and malgus was slower than leneer

When people's augmentation is close enough, that's when physical advantages begin playing a part: Aryn's lithe frame allowing her to outmaneuver Malgus, who is much physically stronger than her. Whereas Yoda is so ridiculously powerful it doesn't matter how frail he is, the Force makes up for it.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Well, that's legends tho.Though I dunno how canon augmentation works.

i suggest we stop speculating and start providing some real evidence. could anyone post the filoni & witver sources in full about rebels maul? because tcw maul appears far more badass than rebels maul from feats

Originally posted by ChocolateMuesli
rest assured that its probably even dumber than legends

i suggest we stop speculating and start providing some real evidence. could anyone post the filoni & witver sources in full about rebels maul? because tcw maul appears far more badass than rebels maul from feats

The actual duel is very short, how did you come to the conclusion it had to come this way?...(feloni) If you talk to a lot of people who sword fight, they'll tell you people who are very good don't have long fights. So that scene, its a homage to the 7th samurai. I think on one level people would be excited to see [/I]another prolonged lightsaber fight. But I just never really saw the confrontation that way because to do that is to say the characters don't have growth "

Witwer: He has this ambition that still exists inside him and that ambition is eating him up –especially now that he’s past his prime and his glory years. Yeah, he’s a sadder character than we perhaps remember in Clone Wars.

I italicized some parts to highlight a key difference between the quotes...

Their contexts

^ Yes Filoni didn’t see it as “Another Prolonged Lightsaber fight” because they’ve fought each other so many times before so would suggest no growth. I.e. completely forgetting and not learning from their previous fights (supported by Henry Gilroy’s comments).

And yes Witwer has confirmed there that Maul was past his Prime.

Lol Witwer literally says he's past his prime

And when he says that would mean the characters have no growth, I always interpreted that to mean that they don't have growth in their relationship as characters. They've fought so many times that it wouldn't make sense to have another prolonged duel between them

Originally posted by Rebel95
Lol Witwer literally says he's past his prime

😂 yeah

Rebels and thor are right on this one boys. although filoni's a retard for saying that because maul clearly showed no growth when he used the same move he used in TPM. anyway case closed

Originally posted by Rebel95
Lol Witwer literally says he's past his prime

As combative ability is mentioned nowhere in the context of the quote, prime isn't referring to Maul combatively.