What a pathetic liar. Kun was just beginning to be attacked, and begged Nadd for help right from the onset. Nadd then protected him.
Yeah, because Sheev obliterating thousands of lesser spirits and many greater spirits doesn't completely shit on Kun being overwhelmed right when his battle with the spirits had just begun, and begging for help from Nadd.
As if that is not enough, the great genius is now equating the two feats to mean that Kun>Sheev!
ROFL, is the Sheev anti-brigade made out of mentally challenged fools?
Originally posted by BlueTiger1144
What a pathetic liar. Kun was just beginning to be attacked, and begged Nadd for help right from the onset. Nadd then protected him.Yeah, because Sheev obliterating thousands of lesser spirits and many greater spirits doesn't completely shit on Kun being overwhelmed right when his battle with the spirits had just begun, and begging for help from Nadd.
As if that is not enough, the great genius is now equating the two feats to mean that Kun>Sheev!
ROFL, is the Sheev anti-brigade made out of mentally challenged fools?
Spoiler:
You're being trolled, my child.
Originally posted by godemperortrump
Link. You beat him on a Sidious vs Ancient Sith thread?
It was a debate about Banite scaling and the standing of Plagueis and Tenebrous next to the ancient Sith.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=16269817#post16269817
Originally posted by Azronger
As soon as he enters, the spirits start pressing on him, and Sheev from the looks of things doesn't give two shits. He starts ordering them around while far from peak condition and they acquiesce to his wishes. The impression I get is that even a handful of these spirits can't do jack to a half-dead Sheev who could barely use his Force abilities lest he further the necrosis and decay of his flesh. Not much else that needs to be said, tbh.
Secondly, Palpatine's arrogance notwithstanding, he was in no position to make those spirits subservient to his cause; an angry spirit shot back with this statement:
"how can one who has ruled only a few decades command those who held dominion for centuries?"
However, another spirit - out of respect for Palpatine's deep affinity with the Dark Side - convinced the angry spirit to give Palpatine a sign. The angry spirit obliged but left a powerful hint:
"..Or perhaps this child shall be your bright doom."
The angry spirit had foreseen Palpatine's demise....
Originally posted by Azronger
Also, there were apparently thousands of spirits on Korriban whose sole desire was to attack intruders like Palpatine.Like many cultures, the Sith buried slaves, courtiers, and priests with their honored dead. Like many such belief systems, however, the ancient Sith had firsthand knowledge that the dark side would keep the souls of those crypt keepers trapped with their dead masters. Driven by hatred of those who entombed them and the madness that is existence in the dark side, the relatively weak spirits of thousands of lesser Sith act as protectors for the remains of their superiors.
Unable to exert enough strength to possess the living, these guardian spirits animate the fleshless corpses of various tomb robbers and space pirates that have unintentionally made Korriban their final resting place. A guardian spirit looks for all the world like a walking skeleton.
Millennia of madness in the dark side drive the possessing spirit insane. Therefore, they will not, and cannot, behave as sentient beings. They attack without mercy until they are physically destroyed. Even then, the guardian spirit may jump to another skeleton and rise again. Whatever they may once have been, these guardians now exist my as mindless walking dead, hulking, shambling things that must be destroyed to remove the taint of evil.
Walking dead guardian spirits are little more than shuffling bags of bones animated and filled with malicious intent by the dark side. They are immune to disease, the effects of cold, and the vacuum of space. The spirit energy that drives them is no longer sentient or self-aware, so it is not as susceptible to Force mental abilities. Indeed, they simply continue to obey the last command they received in life by protecting the necropolis from intruders.
The Dark Side Sourcebook
So Palpatine fended off thousands of lesser Sith spirits and an unknown number of greater spirits at once, presumably killed most of them given their lack of appearance upon his second trip to the Valley, and in a horrible condition is able to ward off several of the strongest ones who had held dominion for centuries in their heyday.
That's a pretty great feat for Sheev 👆
The (shared) information is valid in the context of the entirety of the valley of the Dark Lords, not a single Tomb. It suggests that the "guardian spirits" are too weak to affect living beings on their own and rather utilize corpses to assault them.
You are misreading your own sources.
I don't give a sh*t about the LeGenDary argument above. But just to clarify. Is this seriously the fighting Force that Palpatine lost against ?
Unable to exert enough strength to possess the living, these guardian spirits animate the fleshless corpses of various tomb robbers and space pirates[...]
Walking dead guardian spirits are little more than shuffling bags of bones animated and filled with malicious intent by the dark side.
Essentially these Spirits become the the Star Wars version of the Udead. Animated corspes made from bone who probably can't use the Force in any capacity - given that even the most powerful spirits usually have to channel their powers through other Force users (people with midi-chlorians). Did Sheev really loose to this:
Even if there are ten thousand of them fighting at once. There are concessions to be made. The idea that Palpatine can army-bust, even if his opposition are low level Force users with fleshy bodies, is now null thanks to this example.
Just further proof that Sheev is just empty hype.
The vaunted quote about him mastering every Force power and inventing new ones at will is blatantly contradicted, since he has to go to Korriban and plead for knowledge from the Sith spirits.
And also these Dark Lords clearly haven't gotten the memo that Sheev is supposed to be "the Dark Side's most powerful expression" or however that bullshit quote went.
To them he's just the reigning Sith Lord in a long line full of them, not the speshul uber-powerful demigod his followers masturbate to.😂
Originally posted by ziggtard
I don't give a sh*t about the LeGenDary argument above.
👆
But just to clarify. Is this seriously the fighting Force that Palpatine lost against ?Essentially these Spirits become the the Star Wars version of the Udead. Animated corspes made from bone who probably can't use the Force in any capacity - given that even the most powerful spirits usually have to channel their powers through other Force users (people with midi-chlorians).
Um, they should certainly be capable of using the Force after they have taken control of a vessel. The Force flows better through living tissue.
Did Sheev really loose to this:Even if there are ten thousand of them fighting at once. There are concessions to be made. The idea that Palpatine can army-bust, even if his opposition are low level Force users with fleshy bodies, is now null thanks to this example.
Once more, we don't know in what condition Palpatine was when the fight started. It's an ambiguous feat that can't really be used to establish any limit on his army busting capabilities. On the other hand, peak DE Sidious would lay waste to the entire planet no matter how big an army he's up against. Using this to lowball Sheev is disingenuous.
Originally posted by Unbowed
Just further proof that Sheev is just empty hype.The vaunted quote about him mastering every Force power and inventing new ones at will is blatantly contradicted, since he has to go to Korriban and plead for knowledge from the Sith spirits.
First of all, the quote states he knew all Jedi powers so how does that contradict him not knowing something about the dark side? Second, Sheev asking the Sith spirits for knowledge doesn't mean they knew something he didn't; it only means just that: Sheev asked them for knowledge. Doesn't rule out the possibility they had nothing new to offer. And third, you apparently have no clue about the timeline of Star Wars; Palpatine's fight with the Sith spirits happened shortly after the Battle of Yavin. The quote about the Emperor knowing all Jedi powers was attributed to Dark Empire Sidious, who is a decade older than A New Hope Sidious.
And also these Dark Lords clearly haven't gotten the memo that Sheev is supposed to be "the Dark Side's most powerful expression" or however that bullshit quote went.To them he's just the reigning Sith Lord in a long line full of them, not the speshul uber-powerful demigod his followers masturbate to.😂
That's usually what happens to those who're disconnected from society for thousands of years, yeah.
Originally posted by Azronger
Um, they should certainly be capable of using the Force after they have taken control of a vessel. The Force flows better through living tissue.
At least read your own ****ing quotes, Jesus...
Originally posted by Unbowed
I don't think you quite grasp the meaning of the words "skeleton", "fleshless corpse" or "shuffling bags of bones".At least read your own ****ing quotes, Jesus...
I don't think you quite grasp that bones have bone marrow i.e. living tissue inside the hard exterior.
At least read your ****ing elementary school homework, Jesus... 🙄
Originally posted by Azronger
I don't think you quite grasp that bones have bone marrow i.e. [b]living tissue inside the hard exterior.At least read your ****ing elementary school homework, Jesus... 🙄 [/B]
The bone marrow is not living tissue if it belongs to a corpse of a pirate. Oxygen can not enter the cells of any part of the body when the person is dead.
Once more, we don't know in what condition Palpatine was when the fight started.
You could say that about every off panel interaction/fight in the mythos. Most people here, myself included, aren't factoring this in because it's most logical to assume he visited the temples in a normal condition.
It's an ambiguous feat that can't really be used to establish any limit on his army busting capabilities. On the other hand, peak DE Sidious would lay waste to the entire planet no matter how big an army he's up against. Using this to lowball Sheev is disingenuous.
DE sids is a different kettle of fish for sure. But a lot of sheev discussion here centres around previous incarnations. This thread included as it features ROTS palps - who's suspodely weaker the 0 BBY palpaitne that visited the Korriban temple.
Originally posted by BlueTiger1144
What a pathetic liar. Kun was just beginning to be attacked, and begged Nadd for help right from the onset. Nadd then protected him.Yeah, because Sheev obliterating thousands of lesser spirits and many greater spirits doesn't completely shit on Kun being overwhelmed right when his battle with the spirits had just begun, and begging for help from Nadd.
As if that is not enough, the great genius is now equating the two feats to mean that Kun>Sheev!
ROFL, is the Sheev anti-brigade made out of mentally challenged fools?
It'd be a shame for you if the Audiobook depicted something different.
Sheev never even accomplished that, so you can stop that crap argument right now. More importantly, him being surprised by the dead pirates is quite different from begging Nadd to help him. 😂
I never made that argument, get off the fentanyl.
This is the typical Sheevite response.