Originally posted by quanchi112
His feats, his powerscaling in relation to Kylo and Rey, and the interview which confirms the obvious.Snoke and the First Order is vastly superior to the old regime helmed by Palpatine.
What? a bigger death Star? that's all he had, doesn't prove jack.
And his feats ain't that all impressive within canon in comparison to Yoda/Sidious etc.
Originally posted by HaschwalthTheir tech was superior, could track at light speed, etc.
What? a bigger death Star? that's all he had, doesn't prove jack.
And his feats ain't that all impressive within canon in comparison to Yoda/Sidious etc.
Better troops, etc.
Far more impressive and this film further shoes Yoda was a massive failure as were with the Jedi with their hubris per Luke. Everything I've been saying about the Jedi and Yoda was confirmed. Snoke's force connections with Kylo and Rey stands out. He toyed with two characters who raw strength made Luke even quiver in his pants. That's the guy Palaptone creamed his pants over. Snoke was stronger than Palpatine who was defeated in combat by Windu for ****s sake.
Originally posted by HaschwalthAnakin is vastly overrated and didn't defeat any competent Jedi in fair combat. Kylo would beat Anakin in combat. Just ask Luke. Vader wasted his potential after Kenobi cleaved his body and left him in shambles. Vader was always just a tragic character who turned away from the light and the darkness. Kylo is more evil than Vader.
Why would kylo hold a candle to ROTS Anakin, I would doubt Kylo is even close Anakin in terms of dueling/force mastery.
Sure he has skywalker blood, but not close to Anakin level.And i'm excluding KF anakin. ROTS would have his ass handed to by Yoda/Sidious.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Their tech was superior, could track at light speed, etc.Better troops, etc.
Far more impressive and this film further shoes Yoda was a massive failure as were with the Jedi with their hubris per Luke. Everything I've been saying about the Jedi and Yoda was confirmed. Snoke's force connections with Kylo and Rey stands out. He toyed with two characters who raw strength made Luke even quiver in his pants. That's the guy Palaptone creamed his pants over. Snoke was stronger than Palpatine who was defeated in combat by Windu for ****s sake.
Dude, better tech doesn't make a more powerful force user, what ludicrous logic.
Failure doesn't equate to inferiority in strength, you saying Revan is inferior to the Force users that Defeated ajunta pall
Cute Snoke ragdolled, a barely trained Rey, and electrocuted kylo Ren. Both still are young, with a ton of potential.
Cool luke quivered, so? doesn't indicate inferiority. infact Luke completely schools both Rey and Kylo in the movie. Forcing Rey to use a lightsaber because she was outmatched in combat. And kylo didn't even notice a trace in Luke's illusion, which was projected across the galaxy. IS their any evidence Luke surpassed Sidious? Luke afterall cut himself of from the force. Also luke states he wasn't concerned with the Kylo's raw in the past meaning he could of dealt with it.
Dude ROTJ SIdious>ROTS Sidious, and their a lot of evidence suggesting mace threw that fight.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Anakin is vastly overrated and didn't defeat any competent Jedi in fair combat. Kylo would beat Anakin in combat. Just ask Luke. Vader wasted his potential after Kenobi cleaved his body and left him in shambles. Vader was always just a tragic character who turned away from the light and the darkness. Kylo is more evil than Vader.
You are joking right? so overrated that he was put on the Jedi council, yet not being a master. by the end of the clone wars was contending with count dooku. What has Kylo to compare to that.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I said he didn't defeat a competent Jedi in fair combat. He beat Dooku as a Sith. He lost to Kenobi and in their rematch Kenobi merged into the force.
My dear friend, Anakin Skywalker never combated another Jedi in fair combat, because he was, himself, a Jedi. He easily dispatched a Sith Lord who himself easily dispatched Obi-Wan Kenobi. It would seem you are a bit too excited by semantic arguments, my friend 🙄
Originally posted by HaschwalthI didn't say it did. I said this new trilogy has the older one beat in every conceivable way. More powerful force users, more powerful weapons of mass destruction, better troops, and better tech.
Dude, better tech doesn't make a more powerful force user, what ludicrous logic.
Failure doesn't equate to inferiority in strength, you saying Revan is inferior to the Force users that Defeated ajunta pall
Rey with no training resisted Kylo Ren. She was decimated after Luke's training by Snoke. Kylo with less experience still got the better of Luke. Like it or not but the Jedi aren't the machines you want them to be. Luke even says how they become the stuff of legends but that doesn't make them perfect or unbeatable.
Cute Snoke ragdolled, a barely trained Rey, and electrocuted kylo Ren. Both still are young, with a ton of potential.[/B]
Luke was shown up when she used a saber. When she used one against Snoke he could disarm her at will or force rape her at will. She was nothing to him unlike Luke who marveled at her strength.Cool luke quivered, so? doesn't indicate inferiority. infact Luke completely schools both Rey and Kylo in the movie. Forcing Rey to use a lightsaber because she was outmatched in combat. And kylo didn't even notice a trace in Luke's illusion, which was projected across the galaxy. IS their any evidence Luke surpassed Sidious? Luke afterall cut himself of from the force. Also luke states he wasn't concerned with the Kylo's raw in the past meaning he could of dealt with it.
Dude ROTJ SIdious>ROTS Sidious, and their a lot of evidence suggesting mace threw that fight. [/B]
Sidious was the one enamored with Luke not the same with Snoke. Snoke wanted him dead. Even Palpatine cucked his own power to Anakin's potential.
Ok so Palpatine at his best was killed by a one handed Vader without the force or a weapon. I agree Palpatine is terrible. It wasn't a quick strike and Palpatine still had his force lightning at his disposal.
Originally posted by Big GeraldWords matter. If you think Sith and Jedi are the same then you're mistaken. He beat him yes but he lost to a Jedi named Kenobi. Both don't have the same fighting styles either. Anakin lost to a Jedi but defeated a Sith. Those are the facts you'd like to ignore. If you can't tell the difference between a Sith and a Jedi you aren't qualified to debate. Dems da breaks.
My dear friend, Anakin Skywalker never combated another Jedi in fair combat, because he was, himself, a Jedi. He easily dispatched a Sith Lord who himself easily dispatched Obi-Wan Kenobi. It would seem you are a bit too excited by semantic arguments, my friend 🙄
Originally posted by HaschwalthOk what position did Kylo hold at the end of Last Jedi now compare that to Anakin's position on the Jedi council.
You are joking right? so overrated that he was put on the Jedi council, yet not being a master. by the end of the clone wars was contending with count dooku. What has Kylo to compare to that.
😂
Anakin's life was pitiful.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Words matter. If you think Sith and Jedi are the same then you're mistaken. He beat him yes but he lost to a Jedi named Kenobi. Both don't have the same fighting styles either. Anakin lost to a Jedi but defeated a Sith. Those are the facts you'd like to ignore. If you can't tell the difference between a Sith and a Jedi you aren't qualified to debate. Dems da breaks.
Interesting you think this way. Also interesting you think the Avengers films are good.
Also interesting you were originally talking about dueling/Force mastery but still decided to ignore the context of the Vader/Kenobi fight, or the fact that Anakin Skywalker (a Jedi) wasn't involved in that fight at all. My friend, these are all details you must consider if you are ever to be taken seriously.
Originally posted by Big GeraldFirst Avengers movie is great, Galan.
Interesting you think this way. Also interesting you think the Avengers films are good.Also interesting you were originally talking about dueling/Force mastery but still decided to ignore the context of the Vader/Kenobi fight, or the fact that Anakin Skywalker (a Jedi) wasn't involved in that fight at all. My friend, these are all details you must consider if you are ever to be taken seriously.
Second one is good just nowhere near as great as the first.
Vader was unable to beat Kenobi in a prolonged fight. The details were simple he put himself in a bad situation and was delusional about his abilities. He paid for it. He beat Dooku who was a Sith in a duel. He didn't defeat any adequate Jedi. Kenobi bested him pre suit. Luke decimated him in Rotj. I didn't say Anakij had to be a Jedi I said he didn't defeat any adequate or impressive Jedi in fair combat.
Your inability to understand the differences between a Jedi and Sith is silly.
Originally posted by quanchi112
First Avengers movie is great, Galan.Second one is good just nowhere near as great as the first.
Vader was unable to beat Kenobi in a prolonged fight. The details were simple he put himself in a bad situation and was delusional about his abilities. He paid for it. He beat Dooku who was a Sith in a duel. He didn't defeat any adequate Jedi. Kenobi bested him pre suit. Luke decimated him in Rotj. I didn't say Anakij had to be a Jedi I said he didn't defeat any adequate or impressive Jedi in fair combat.
Your inability to understand the differences between a Jedi and Sith is silly.
I supposed forced, contrived banter has its place for... certain audiences.
He had no pretense to defeat another Jedi. The only Jedi he faced was one who trained him and knew his techniques already, and still Obi-Wan could not defeat him in regular combat. Your argument is the same as someone saying "Darth Sidious never defeated another Sith in combat and is therefore overrated" 😕
Originally posted by Big GeraldSo you're going to sit here and argue over a subjective film. What's next the color blue vs green. You seem very sensitive and insecure tbh.
I supposed forced, contrived banter has its place for... certain audiences.He had no pretense to defeat another Jedi. The only Jedi he faced was one who trained him and knew his techniques already, and still Obi-Wan could not defeat him in regular combat. Your argument is the same as someone saying "Darth Sidious never defeated another Sith in combat and is therefore overrated" 😕
Luke also defeated him. Kenobi defeated him. He was more powerful than Kenobi yet still lost. If you want to ignore both defeating him and pretending Sith are Jedi by all means continue. Sidious defeated Maul and Savage. Even if he didn't I wouldn't argue that since it's a bad analogy. Two Jedi beat Vader whereas two Sith haven't defeated Sidious.