Snoke vs Sidious canon movie force feats only

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Raptor22 Senior Member

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is just capitalizing on an opportune moment. We see Obi Wand dice up Anakin due to striking at the proper moment but this has no bearing on force power vs. force power. But now that I'm thinking of it despite the power superiority of Anakin over Kenobi we see both struggle to push each other back with the force. It isn't that easy to just overpower someone with relative ease unless you are Snoke. He is the pinnacle of force power seen in the mythos up to this point.
except snoke never overpowered anyones force power. Neither Rey nor kylo showed any signs of offensive or defensive force power against snoke. What he did was comparable to Yoda and palpatines small back and forth in palpatines office. Palpatine was able to put yoda down with lightning with relative ease when he had no defense up. Yoda did the same to him with tk with relative ease a minute later. Later in the senate chamber when Yoda put up a defense it wasn't so easy for palpatine.

Same with anakin and obi wan. They we're both actively attacking eachother with tk, a little different than zapping kylo when his entire offense/defense consisted if taking a step or two foward.

Snoke did basically nothing different to Rey and kylo than what dooku did to Anakin in AotC, or what palpatine did to Yoda in his office. They all capitalized on an opportune moment. The only difference is their attacks led to ko's where snokes were much weaker and did not.

The Lost Sorgo
Originally posted by Raptor22
except snoke never overpowered anyones force power.

A lightsaber smacking the back of Rey's head might disagree with you.

Raptor22 Senior Member

Originally posted by The Lost
A lightsaber smacking the back of Rey's head might disagree with you.
well I don't normal argue with inanimate objects, but if I were to, I would tell the ightsaber that's disagreeing with me that Snoke didn't over power reys tk. If he did he would have pulled it directly back to himself like kylo tried when they got into the tug of war and it broke. Instead he added his power to it using the momentum she created and sent it flying past her then back around.

The Lost Sorgo
Originally posted by Raptor22
well I don't normal argue with inanimate objects, but if I were to, I would tell the ightsaber that's disagreeing with me that Snoke didn't over power reys tk. If he did he would have pulled it directly back to himself like kylo tried when they got into the tug of war and it broke. Instead he added his power to it using the momentum she created and sent it flying past her then back around.

So Snoke didn't overpower Rey's force ability because Snoke sent it somewhere else other than near himself and just "added his power" which totally isn't a contradictory synonym for "that added power was Snoke outperforming Rey in the force?"

Raptor22 Senior Member

Originally posted by The Lost
So Snoke didn't overpower Rey's force ability because Snoke sent it somewhere else other than near himself and just "added his power" which totally isn't a contradictory synonym for "that added power was Snoke outperforming Rey in the force?"

Once again he didn't overpower her he used her own momentum or to be more accurate the momentum she created on the lightsaber against her/it.

There's no need for a snarky response. U could have just said that u don't have a basic understanding of momentum and I would have sent u a link or something.

Lord Stark Lord of Winterfell

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah, Palpatine was killed by a one armed cyborg without the force and a very slow drawn out toss. Palpatine died like a ***** and never had the rebels to such dire straits as Snoke did in this film.

Snoke is too powerful and force rapes him at his will. Palpatine can't even ragdoll Windu. He's pitiful.

Did you miss Snoke audibly drooling over that one-armed cyborg's power or nah?

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Raptor22
except snoke never overpowered anyones force power. Neither Rey nor kylo showed any signs of offensive or defensive force power against snoke. What he did was comparable to Yoda and palpatines small back and forth in palpatines office. Palpatine was able to put yoda down with lightning with relative ease when he had no defense up. Yoda did the same to him with tk with relative ease a minute later. Later in the senate chamber when Yoda put up a defense it wasn't so easy for palpatine.

Same with anakin and obi wan. They we're both actively attacking eachother with tk, a little different than zapping kylo when his entire offense/defense consisted if taking a step or two foward.

Snoke did basically nothing different to Rey and kylo than what dooku did to Anakin in AotC, or what palpatine did to Yoda in his office. They all capitalized on an opportune moment. The only difference is their attacks led to ko's where snokes were much weaker and did not.


I am sorry but I saw a completely different fight than you.

Snoke utterly outclassed both Rey and Ren in raw power and Force abilities at individual capacity. Ren didn't even bother to intervene when Snoke was rag-dolling Rey around.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Seems to me like Snoke is sub-Dooku. Shame. 🙁

samappo Senior Member

Snoke is clearly way above Ben and Rey's mastery of the force. He clearly is able to ragdoll either of them I would assume.

The Lost Sorgo

Originally posted by Raptor22
Once again he didn't overpower her he used her own momentum or to be more accurate the momentum she created on the lightsaber against her/it.

There's no need for a snarky response. U could have just said that u don't have a basic understanding of momentum and I would have sent u a link or something.

Hahahaha.

This forum is fucked now.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Raptor22
except snoke never overpowered anyones force power. Neither Rey nor kylo showed any signs of offensive or defensive force power against snoke.
We see he forcibly saw her into mind against her will with his force powers. Kylo was unable to do so prior to even her Luke training. That's how impressive she was before she even knew she had powers. Luke trained her after the fact. She couldn't stop Snoke because his force power is beyond anyone's in the films. Her defenses were up and that's entirely different than a force push in ripping the information out of her mind.


What he did was comparable to Yoda and palpatines small back and forth in palpatines office. Palpatine was able to put yoda down with lightning with relative ease when he had no defense up. Yoda did the same to him with tk with relative ease a minute later. Later in the senate chamber when Yoda put up a defense it wasn't so easy for palpatine. [/B]
Ok but after Yoda was armed and ready for the fight he was able to defend himself. When Rey was armed he toyed with her at will. That's the difference between Snoke and every other force user he was beyond direct conflict. Yoda and Palpatine were peers but neither could have their way with the other once their guard was up.


Same with anakin and obi wan. They we're both actively attacking eachother with tk, a little different than zapping kylo when his entire offense/defense consisted if taking a step or two foward.

Snoke did basically nothing different to Rey and kylo than what dooku did to Anakin in AotC, or what palpatine did to Yoda in his office. They all capitalized on an opportune moment. The only difference is their attacks led to ko's where snokes were much weaker and did not. [/B]

Snoke zapping him shows how quick he is since Kylo stopped a blaster bolt right after its shot from an unseen foe in the first film. My point is when Snoke meant business he humbled both Rey and Kylo. It wasn't even a contest neither could directly challenge him.

False, as Dooku wasn't able to force hurl Anakin at his will. Snoke took her saber when he wanted and hurled her around when he wanted mocking her. He didn't have to take her seriously whereas Dooku had to fight him saber to saber after his initial foolish charge was thwarted. Dooku can't just force throw him around at will. Even when he force choked Kenobi in rots he needed the right moment to do so. He didn't do so at will which is what Snoke did to Rey. Any way he wanted it he could just diagram or suspend her via force rape.

We have never seen anyone this powerful with the force. It's staggering the supremacy he displayed with the force powers. Everything you fanboys claimed has only been put into practice by Snoke and you biased fools won't even acknowledge it in true Trumpian fashion.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Did you miss Snoke audibly drooling over that one-armed cyborg's power or nah?
Never. He mocked Ren to motivate him all the while knowing what it would bring about in him. He explains it. Best part was when he brought up Rey's lack of training to further humiliate Kylo. Snoke really is the most powerful force user even seen thus it makes perfect sense that no one can directly challenge him.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by The Lost
Hahahaha.

This forum is fucked now.

The young pups herr are incredibly biased and even lie to themselves. Facts and interviews which confirm the facts are shoved aside for their imagination debating.

Haschwalth Senior Member

I'm starting to think more and more that Snoke was a force Sensitive within the imperial empire, during SIdious's/Vader's reign. Would make sense why he became so crippled, probably a fight with the rebels. Not to mention his fascination for Vader/sidious.

Rey was so powerful in the light for the sole purpose of matching Kylo's darkness, as it strives for balance. It's no different from Luke/Sidious, the ROT sith being OP, as they have to match the light, like Sidious/Yoda.

If we take into legends then Revan/Vitiate etc.
It's a reoccurring theme.within the star wars universe.

Haschwalth Senior Member

I see no reason for Snoke to be above the likes Dooku.

ares834 Senior Member

Yep. Considering his apparent fascination with Vader, I expect Snoke was one of his cronies or an Inquisitor.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by ares834
Yep. Considering his apparent fascination with Vader, I expect Snoke was one of his cronies or an Inquisitor.
He used Vader to mock his apprentice to manipulate him. We already have the interview which confirms his superiority to both Palpatine and Vader per Serkis.

Haschwalth Senior Member
Originally posted by quanchi112
He used Vader to mock his apprentice to manipulate him. We already have the interview which confirms his superiority to both Palpatine and Vader per Serkis.

Reys actor claimed Obi wan was stronger than rey, but rey was stronger than Sidious/Vader

Their word means nothing.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Haschwalth
I see no reason for Snoke to be above the likes Dooku.
His feats, his powerscaling in relation to Kylo and Rey, and the interview which confirms the obvious.

Snoke and the First Order is vastly superior to the old regime helmed by Palpatine.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Haschwalth
Reys actor claimed Obi wan was stronger than rey, but rey was stronger than Sidious/Vader

Their word means nothing.

Post the quote. You're also ignoring everything shown in the film. Their words do carry weight.