Originally posted by -Pr-
Am I missing something? How is it not spite? I suppose if Superman had Juggernaut that would help, but still.
That's what I made this to determine. Being completely serious, I think a good Superman type (Not just Supes) gets lowballed INSANELY in comic book writing. I mean, you've got a lightspeedster (Nearly, or well above), who can fly through suns and lift as much as an angry Hulk. Speedy uber bricks should be stomping left and right, but they don't. Gladiator or Hyperion should blitz Hulk or Thor, but they don't.
And when people say "X reacted to light speed", there often isn't much to support that they "should".
The best example I can think of to make my point, is Batman vs Karate Kid. Karate Kid is well established as a speedy brick in all but name. Through "space karate", he dazzle's Superboy and Flash's with his quickness. He karate chops tanks like they're made of paper. And Batman is gonna trade shots with this guy? Much less beat him?
So say, you put Spidey against Wolverine. IMO, that should be absolute spite against Logan. But, when Spider-Oct actually DID blitz Logan, half the board called "Bullshit".
So, that's part of why I made this thread, as a sort of litmus test. If he gets stomped, he gets stomped, but the speed arguments so far have me thinking I'm sort of justified in why I made it..
Originally posted by cdtm
How does Kyle Rayner, back when the computers were disabled?
I always assumed that the ring does that stuff for them.
By rule of thumb it's much easier to assume that people have superhuman reflexes.
And how do you not have superspeed when your strong enough to lift continents?
It just seems like an exhaustive stance. The brain is not somehow separate from the body.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Moreover, read forum rules.And if we REALLY want to go down the battle feats route, I have one word for you.
Batman.
But please, just answer the question. Can Superman lift a pencil weighing 1 ton?
I did read the forum rules and the rules contradict each other.
That Batman stuff you pull is usually ignored so bringing him up doesn't change what is being discussed here. With that said, you're literally asking me to ignore a character entire history during battle because this character can make a sandwich at super speed. Ain't happening.
Don't understand the pencil comment. If Superman has failed to Lift a pencil weighing a ton throughout the history of his creation, I would say he couldn't lift it. Maybe it's the type of wood, who knows but if someone showed me 10 plus showings of him failing to Lift a pencil, I cannot argue against it.
Your argument is like me saying in every battle... Thor throws Mjlonir letting it slap Superman into a coma while at the same time blasting him with magical lightning. Can Thor achieve This? He sure can but it isn't an average.
Originally posted by krisblaze
I always assumed that the ring does that stuff for them.By rule of thumb it's much easier to assume that people have superhuman reflexes.
And how do you not have superspeed when your strong enough to lift continents?
It just seems like an exhaustive stance. The brain is not somehow separate from the body.
Oh, if you mean in a broad sense, I absolutely admit Thor or Hulk has some degree of enhanced speed. I mean, I've captured an image off a pdf and converted it to an mpg for someone of Thor driving in stakes and digging a trench in short order.
There's super speed, and there's "Used to race the Flash".
And that's the kind of speed I'm talking about.. The higher end, Quicksilver/Northstar and above type stuff.
Edit: Ftr, the ring computers stopped functioning when Hal shut down the cpb. Kyle's rookie ring operated off a different source, and had no A.I., so he was on his own.
Still managed to find his way to Oa, at the center of the universe.
Originally posted by cdtm
Oh, if you mean in a broad sense, I absolutely admit Thor or Hulk has some degree of enhanced speed. I mean, I've captured an image off a pdf and converted it to an mpg for someone of Thor driving in stakes and digging a trench in short order.There's super speed, and there's "Used to race the Flash".
And that's the kind of speed I'm talking about.. The higher end, Quicksilver/Northstar and above type stuff.
Edit: Ftr, the ring computers stopped functioning when Hal shut down the cpb. Kyle's rookie ring operated off a different source, and had no A.I., so he was on his own.
Still managed to find his way to Oa, at the center of the universe.
We're on the same page then.
Originally posted by cdtm
That's what I made this to determine. Being completely serious, I think a good Superman type (Not just Supes) gets lowballed INSANELY in comic book writing. I mean, you've got a lightspeedster (Nearly, or well above), who can fly through suns and lift as much as an angry Hulk. Speedy uber bricks should be stomping left and right, but they don't. Gladiator or Hyperion should blitz Hulk or Thor, but they don't.And when people say "X reacted to light speed", there often isn't much to support that they "should".
The best example I can think of to make my point, is Batman vs Karate Kid. Karate Kid is well established as a speedy brick in all but name. Through "space karate", he dazzle's Superboy and Flash's with his quickness. He karate chops tanks like they're made of paper. And Batman is gonna trade shots with this guy? Much less beat him?
So say, you put Spidey against Wolverine. IMO, that should be absolute spite against Logan. But, when Spider-Oct actually DID blitz Logan, half the board called "Bullshit".
So, that's part of why I made this thread, as a sort of litmus test. If he gets stomped, he gets stomped, but the speed arguments so far have me thinking I'm sort of justified in why I made it..
And you're not low balling this team with this very thread?
Originally posted by Stoic
Really? He's actually shown super combat speed when the Hulk became Wendihulk. Do you remember the story?
He didn't do anything special...
Charging fast isn't combat speed...
Originally posted by Stoic
It also stated that Sentry lives a few seconds into the future.
True. It doesn't matter.
Originally posted by tkitna
What?Not many heros pulling off something like that.
Blocking a projectile =/= Being fast in combat.
Originally posted by carver9
Yes because they lifted a wooded tree that weighs more than 1 ton.
So no showings with a pencil then?
I didn't ask for trees. I asked for a pencil.
But it's good to see that you're using logic. Lifting something similar to a pencil is just as good as lifting a pencil, as you wouldn't have any showings with pencils.
Originally posted by Stoic
And you're not low balling this team with this very thread?
Well, Pr is a Superman fan, and he thinks so.
So maybe? I prefer to think I merely have a very high opinion of Superman, and wish to stretch those boundries in waters thoughly muddied by true fanboys and anti fanboys. And I think I have a ways to go to catch up to a certain poster in lowball threads. 🙂
Originally posted by cdtm
Well, Pr is a Superman fan, and he thinks so.So maybe? I prefer to think I merely have a very high opinion of Superman, and wish to stretch those boundries in waters thoughly muddied by true fanboys and anti fanboys. And I think I have a ways to go to catch up to a certain poster in lowball threads. 🙂
If you do then why the handicap? It's as if you need to bolster Superman while nerfing these guys to their lowest showings. In that case since Hulk is Hulk why not pit the Thanos that got arrested in what appeared to be nearly a Hostess Twinkie story, and the Hulk that was choked out by a snake to give Superman the win here?
Under normal circumstances he'd lose. The majority of Earth based characters would.