Originally posted by riv6672
You do realize sparring is not fighting, yeah?I wont insult your intelligence by posting the definitions.
Yep. 👆
For one thing, in a fight, I bet Shang wouldn't just let his opponent get back up after a takedown, and instead try following up with something while he's down..
Originally posted by riv6672
You do realize sparring is not fighting, yeah?I wont insult your intelligence by posting the definitions.
first of all, if you read my posts, you will see i said Cap beats shang chi in the spar they had. so why are you assuming i am giving it more weight than i actually gave it?
secondly, lets take it even further. if sparring isnt fighting then what is it? food cooking? dancing? its fighting. only thing is, the opponents dont have 100% will to destroy the other side. also, we dont know how hard they went in that spar. of course i never claimed that this spar = how they will do in an actual fight. but its an indication to how they stack. INDICATION
Originally posted by Dareangel
first of all, if you read my posts, you will see i said Cap beats shang chi in the spar they had. so why are you assuming i am giving it more weight than i actually gave it?
secondly, lets take it even further. if sparring isnt fighting then what is it? food cooking? dancing? its fighting. only thing is, the opponents dont have 100% will to destroy the other side. also, we dont know how hard they went in that spar. of course i never claimed that this spar = how they will do in an actual fight. but its an indication to how they stack. INDICATION
How did Cap win? Because he got the final blow?
Shang nailed a throw, Cap got a down from an elbow, and they otherwise seemed perfectly even. And neither followed up their downs with attacks, as you do in a real fight.. (Which obviously favor's Shang in this context..)
Anyways, you yourself just shot down any pretentions that this proves anything, by admitting we don't even know how hard they were going at it.
Originally posted by cdtm
How did Cap win? Because he got the final blow?Shang nailed a throw, Cap got a down from an elbow, and they otherwise seemed perfectly even. And neither followed up their downs with attacks, as you do in a real fight.. (Which obviously favor's Shang in this context..)
Anyways, you yourself just shot down any pretentions that this proves anything, by admitting we don't even know how hard they were going at it.
because his blow took shang ch down and he didnt get up. i think its not complicated. yes, we dont know how hard were they going, but that level was enough to take shang chi down to the point he didnt get up. i think its clearly indicates Cap has superior power over shang chi, even if its just a spar
Originally posted by Dareangel
because his blow took shang ch down and he didnt get up. i think its not complicated. yes, we dont know how hard were they going, but that level was enough to take shang chi down to the point he didnt get up. i think its clearly indicates Cap has superior power over shang chi, even if its just a spar
If Rogers has power, Shang has skill, based off his down.
Shang was coherant, and the call came in just after the down, ending it.
They could have just as easily shown Cap and Shang trading barbs from the perspective of Cap on the floor, and it would have proven just as much: Nothing.
Originally posted by cdtm
If Rogers has power, Shang has skill, based off his down.Shang was coherant, and the call came in just after the down, ending it.
They could have just as easily shown Cap and Shang trading barbs from the perspective of Cap on the floor, and it would have proven just as much: Nothing.
the sparring they had puts in it the skills, speed power and preety much everything. it wasnt a power test alone but a combination of everything- which is a spar Lol. cap strike was too much for shang.
when shang took cap down with that throw it showed he is skilled enough to take cap down with tehcnique. no problem with that. but when cap takes shang down with a strike, it hints us that caps strikes are maybe, just maybe, too much for shang to handle. again, never claimed its an all out fight but its an INDICATION. if we spar and i deliver a strike that knocks you down and you will stay down sitting and wont get up, i think its safe to say that its a solid indication that i might be too powerful for you to handle
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or you don't get up because the training is over,and it's just a sparring session anyway so why bother putting it all that effort
only thing is, only in the later scan steve gets a call and is interrupted. therefor, when shang chi was down from that strike, there was no reason to suddenly end the spar, unless shang is just out and "defeated" as much as you can be in a spar of course. that would be the only reason to suddenly end the spar as i mentioned after he was taken down. Cap didnt just score a strike but came on top of his opponent. you can also see cap leaning towards shang and reaching to give him a hand. shang is lifting his arm which looks like either he wants cap to help him get up or he just lifts it as a sign of :no need". but either way, it was obvious that strike took him out of the spar
Cap looked better because he got the last strike in but this was just a sparring match to highlight that they're both awesome with different styles. Shang used a throw that redirected his momentum and Steve used an elbow because he hits like a truck. From a comic where Steve survived (This is Hickman's right?) the Quinjet falling from orbit and was one upgrade away from being Spider-Man in stats.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Cap looked better because he got the last strike in but this was just a sparring match to highlight that they're both awesome with different styles. Shang used a throw that redirected his momentum and Steve used an elbow because he hits like a truck. From a comic where Steve survived (This is Hickman's right?) the Quinjet falling from orbit and was one upgrade away from being Spider-Man in stats.
yes of course it was only a spar i never said otherwise. i also stated at the beginning that shang chi wasnt using his chi amping and nobody was taking it seriously. however i still see it as an indication. but of course, in a real match between the 2 things can go differently. pressure points, lethal strikes, anger atc atc.
Originally posted by tkitna
Yeah, there were two offensive hits and somebody's calling a winner? Lol
Both got up with no issues... it was a really short sparring, nothing more.
Iron Fist / Wolverine sparring - now that's something that can be discussed. And yes, Logan pwned little Danny there. Raped him. Proved to be much better.
Word is that Danny still has to sit when peeing because of the damage suffered in that "sparring".
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Nobody beats anyone in that sparring. It's a tie, if anything.
i dont see it that way. i see cap knocking shang chi down and by that the spar is over, which means he came out on top in that spar. if we spar and i deliver you a blow that knocks you down and you keep sitting ... well its preety much safe to say i beat you in that spar. when cap was taken down he got up and they continued, which means it wasnt about who gets knocked down. shang chi was bested and out, thats why cap is reaching to help shang chi get up as we see in the scan.