Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because it was only a friendly spar, that's why Shang didn't get up. They're just having a little gossipy chat.
i think you dismiss the weight this spar has as a spar. again, it was a friendly spar and wasnt an all out war. however, lets not forget what a spar is. its a fight. its not cooking together, its not dancing together, its a fight. they are both hitting each other and inflicting some degree of damage. hell, cap delivered an elbow to the back of the neck. think about that for a moment. so yes, while it wasnt an all out war, lets not forget its still a fight that took shang chi down and cap leaned to help him get up after that blow.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A spar is also a game, a friendly training session.These guys are also using it as an extended gossip session.
It's as relevant as them playing Tekken lol.
not at all. while playing tekken you are not fighting you are using your thumbs and mind to play a video game. in a spar, you are fighting the other person, only thing is you both are not willing to 100% hurt each other. yes they are discussing things while they are sparring so? how many comics fights did we see taking place while the characters are talking to each other? oh right, almost every single fight. you can fight and talk at the same time. again, they were fightin each other as part of that spar. an elbow to the back of the neck is not playing video games. shang chi was down, cap wanted to help him get up because shang chi didnt get up on his own. cap got the upper hand in that spar. a spar is not 100% fight, however if 1 is taken down by a hit of his opponent who wasnt using 100%... it means something. just wonder if cap did use 100%
They're discussing things and having a friendly sparring session.
Where is the proof that Shang couldn't get up on his own? As you say,there isn't maximum effort in a sparring match. Shang went down, and in a true fight with 100% effort,he would have.....put more effort in and gotten up.
Your point earlier about it being a dance is actually quite correct. A sparring session is closer to a dance than it is to a fight. You try out different moves, you practice them, but you're not giving it your all.
If you're a guy like Shang, who isn't even competitive.....you'd just stop fighting, because you don't have a point to prove. It's a sparring session,it doesn't matter,no point in having a dick waving competition.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They're discussing things and having a friendly sparring session.Where is the proof that Shang couldn't get up on his own? As you say,there isn't maximum effort in a sparring match. Shang went down, and in a true fight with 100% effort,he would have.....put more effort in and gotten up.
Your point earlier about it being a dance is actually quite correct. A sparring session is closer to a dance than it is to a fight. You try out different moves, you practice them, but you're not giving it your all.
If you're a guy like Shang, who isn't even competitive.....you'd just stop fighting, because you don't have a point to prove. It's a sparring session,it doesn't matter,no point in having a dick waving competition.
the fact captain america was leaning towards him and offering him a hand while shang chi was still down. i didnt say he was knocked out or anything. i wont stretch it of course. however, shang chi was effected by that hit and was knocked down. that hit also ended their spar due to cap comming ot top, and above all, that was only a sparring cap it wasnt even a serious cap. the fact they had a spar shows us that they didnt go all out, however, your durability doesnt change and it doesnt matter if its a spar or not. so basically we know that a non serious cap is enough to score a knockdown on shang chi via strike.
i can see that you never did sparring before. sparring is everything an actual fight is. the difference is that in a spar you dont go 100% and thats about it. you are not intending to hurt your opponent badly and same goes for the other side. however, many noses and faces are broken is a spar.
you are actually claiming that shang chi didnt have a reason to fight cap when the circumstances are just about that. they are fighting. shang chi took cap down cap got up and then knocked him down. its a fight. a spar is a FIGHT. again, shang chi took cap down, after that he was trying to punch cap but was blocked and knocked down. just because they didnt go 100% doesnt mean they werent fighting. its not about a point to prove its about the fact they spar and shang chi went down and it is what it is. you cant deny that the purpose of a spar is to fight your opponent and serve a competition to him. the notion someone who entered the ring to spar suddenly doesnt actually want to fight him is just false.
i never claimed he was knocked out cold. in comics many times people that are beaten to bloody pulp are still talking. i already explained my view on things many times, if you dont agree with me thats fine. but the fact he was talking doesnt take away from my statement that he was bested and out of the sparring
Originally posted by Dareangel
so you determine things by the amount of hits? if 1 hit is enough to best someone then why is it not enough to call a winner?
I determine that Cap was down first and Shang didnt press. Why? Because it was a friendly sparring match. Quit making something out of nothing.
Originally posted by tkitna
I determine that Cap was down first and Shang didnt press. Why? Because it was a friendly sparring match. Quit making something out of nothing.
i never claimed it was an all out fight. indeed it was a friendly spar. however, they still fought. as i pointed out, in a spar you fight, only thing is you are not putting 100% to hurt your opponent and thats it. yes shang chi put cap down and yes he could continue to beat him. i never said otherwise. however, it doesnt change my point which is the fact cap not going 100% was enough to take shang chi down via strike. taking someone down with a throw is something anyone can do. but taking someone down with a strike while not going 100% indicates that perhaps the guy cant hang with you.
Originally posted by Dareangel
i never claimed it was an all out fight. indeed it was a friendly spar. however, they still fought. as i pointed out, in a spar you fight, only thing is you are not putting 100% to hurt your opponent and thats it. yes shang chi put cap down and yes he could continue to beat him. i never said otherwise. however, it doesnt change my point which is the fact cap not going 100% was enough to take shang chi down via strike. taking someone down with a throw is something anyone can do. but taking someone down with a strike while not going 100% indicates that perhaps the guy cant hang with you.
You have no idea what youre talking about. Sparring is strictly a training method. In no way is it indicative of an actual fight. Anyone who has trained to fight will attest. Its a non feat
Originally posted by Sin I AM
You have no idea what youre talking about. Sparring is strictly a training method. In no way is it indicative of an actual fight. Anyone who has trained to fight will attest. Its a non feat
i am sorry but you are the one who doesnt have any idea what you are talking about. i am a boxer and muay thai practitioner ok? i know very well what sparring is. sparring is a real fight simulation where the sparring partners agree to not go 100% thats it. go see a real spar and you will see faces broken and knock outs at every corner. i will repeat myself, a spar is a fight. a FIGHT. only difference is, the fighters are not going 100% and not trying to inflict maximum damage on their opponent. with those limits, cap still knocks shang chi down and kinda "takes him out" to some degree. that means if a full power cap will hit shang chi.... things might be worse. does that mean shang chi cant beat cap? no. it means what i said