Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah......you don't go sparring with KOs and broken faces lol.Otherwise you'd very quickly stop finding sparring partners lol. You're 'that guy' who goes around trying to prove he's the baddest dog on the street.
why do you say that? just because i said i am a boxer and muay thai practitioner i am trying to sound tough? well sorry for my hobbies and the things i do in my free time. and yes, in sparrings it happens a lot. because even if you dont go 100% you are still fighting and punching. and no, when that happens people are not looking at you like some douchebag, because its the ring and it is what it is. with your mentality i can see you are not a ring fighter. because when i got my nose broken in a spar i didnt think the guy is a douche. i thought next time i should cover. you enter the ring to fight. not ready to be damaged? dont step in the ring, that simple.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Plenty of mma gyms do in fact go 100% or close to it in sparring. With people even judging at cage side.Cap's spar with shang doesn't tell a lot, but it does tell a little. Shang did not want to get hit with that spinning elbow , but he did. Cap timed him perfectly.
Exactly. finally someone who understands how sparrings go and understands they are not playing in the sand.
Originally posted by Dareangel
why do you say that? just because i said i am a boxer and muay thai practitioner i am trying to sound tough? well sorry for my hobbies and the things i do in my free time. and yes, in sparrings it happens a lot. because even if you dont go 100% you are still fighting and punching. and no, when that happens people are not looking at you like some douchebag, because its the ring and it is what it is. with your mentality i can see you are not a ring fighter. because when i got my nose broken in a spar i didnt think the guy is a douche. i thought next time i should cover. you enter the ring to fight. not ready to be damaged? dont step in the ring, that simple.
And you do that with friendly sparring matches, as you're discussing mutual friends?
Oh, how's Amy these days? CRACK
Yeah, not saying you're trying to be tough. But if you can't see the difference between a proper fight and sparring, then we can't change your mind.
The goal of sparring is not to hurt. Just to learn. That's simple.
You've got it the wrong way round in your head. Let's use your example.
If you get your nose broken in a sparring, you don't think the other guys a douche. You don't jump back into the fight, filled with rage and start pummeling him, or get straight back onto your feet, cursing him and going all out, do you?
No, you don't. You go 'haha wow man you got me good, next time I better cover up'.
Now let's go back to Shang vs Cap. Shang gets tagged, he goes down....but it's a sparring match. He doesn't jump back up, ready to fight for his life. He just sits there, maybe rubbing his sore head and going ow. Doesn't mean he couldn't get up.
THAT'S where you're not seeing it.
Originally posted by Dareangel
i am sorry but you are the one who doesnt have any idea what you are talking about. i am a boxer and muay thai practitioner ok? i know very well what sparring is. sparring is a real fight simulation where the sparring partners agree to not go 100% thats it. go see a real spar and you will see faces broken and knock outs at every corner. i will repeat myself, a spar is a fight. a FIGHT. only difference is, the fighters are not going 100% and not trying to inflict maximum damage on their opponent. with those limits, cap still knocks shang chi down and kinda "takes him out" to some degree. that means if a full power cap will hit shang chi.... things might be worse. does that mean shang chi cant beat cap? no. it means what i said
Dude youre a liar. Noone goes 100 in sparing. Thats the biggest load of bullshit. And Thats the quickest way to lose sparring partners. You dont spar for power.. u spar to enhance technique. U also pull your punches in a REAL sparring match. You also only spar with rough equals. Stop speaking on shit u have no idea what youre talking about
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And you do that with friendly sparring matches, as you're discussing mutual friends?Oh, how's Amy these days? CRACK
Yeah, not saying you're trying to be tough. But if you can't see the difference between a proper fight and sparring, then we can't change your mind.
The goal of sparring is not to hurt. Just to learn. That's simple.
You've got it the wrong way round in your head. Let's use your example.
If you get your nose broken in a sparring, you don't think the other guys a douche. You don't jump back into the fight, filled with rage and start pummeling him, or get straight back onto your feet, cursing him and going all out, do you?
No, you don't. You go 'haha wow man you got me good, next time I better cover up'.
Now let's go back to Shang vs Cap. Shang gets tagged, he goes down....but it's a sparring match. He doesn't jump back up, ready to fight for his life. He just sits there, maybe rubbing his sore head and going ow. Doesn't mean he couldn't get up.
THAT'S where you're not seeing it.
but thats what i said. the purpose is indeed not to fully hurt someone, however its about fighting and having a full contact. the proof to that is within the comics. shang chi tossing cap. cap striking shang with his elbow into the back of his head causing him to fall. how does that look to you? it contradicts what you are trying to say.
i never said when my nose got broken i didnt want to get back at the guy. i just didnt have any complains against him personally because its nothing personal its boxing. i wanted to get back as a boxer to show i can do betterm thats the thing with sparring.
again, i already said in a spar they dont go 100%. and i already stated that he could keep attacking cap after taking him down. my point is that cap striking him at less than 100% was enough to knock him down and take him down to the point cap offered him a hand while he was still down and didnt get up like cap did after he got tossed.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Dude youre a liar. Noone goes 100 in sparing. Thats the biggest load of bullshit. And Thats the quickest way to lose sparring partners. You dont spar for power.. u spar to enhance technique. U also pull your punches in a REAL sparring match. You also only spar with rough equals. Stop speaking on shit u have no idea what youre talking about
reading comprehension is the key. i never said they are going 100%. thruought all my posts i claimed that in a spar the opponents ARE NOT GOING 100%. secondly, whats with the "you are a liar". having a nerve breakdown over an internet discussion about sparring? thirdly, i dont think you can actually have a decent argument if you are not ring fighting. you are talking bullshit based on things you believe. your beliefe is based on your morals, point of view about what should happen or not, or just movies. but what you are claiming is just wrong and not true. but i am not jumping on you calling you a liar. you can do better
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We're all getting trolled by this guy. Let's ignore him.This is dangerously close to the time he argued with DS and others about WWH and Wolverine... insanity.
yeah when you cant argue, or tired of arguing but still want to have the "winning pose", just talk other people to ignore the other debater and do a witch hunt on his ass salem style. that way you "win" the argument without the need to debate further
Originally posted by Dareangel
but thats what i said. the purpose is indeed not to fully hurt someone, however its about fighting and having a full contact. the proof to that is within the comics. shang chi tossing cap. cap striking shang with his elbow into the back of his head causing him to fall. how does that look to you? it contradicts what you are trying to say.
i never said when my nose got broken i didnt want to get back at the guy. i just didnt have any complains against him personally because its nothing personal its boxing. i wanted to get back as a boxer to show i can do betterm thats the thing with sparring.
again, my claim is not if shang chi was serious enough or not. i already stated that he could keep attacking cap after taking him down. my point is that cap striking him at less than 100% was enough to knock him down and take him down to the point cap offered him a hand while he was still down and didnt get up like cap did after he got tossed.
Yeah but he wasn't taking it personally. He got tagged,great job Cap, let's keep continuing the conversation. No indication he NEEDED a hand, he just didn't want to keep fighting. Because it's just a friendly spar.
You're acting like he's all dazed and needs Cap's help to get up. When he's just sitting on the floor, having a chat.
Originally posted by Dareangel
reading comprehension is the key. i never said they are going 100%. thruought all my posts i claimed that in a spar the opponents ARE NOT GOING 100%. secondly, whats with the "you are a liar". having a nerve breakdown over an internet discussion about sparring? thirdly, i dont think you can actually have a decent argument if you are not ring fighting. you are talking bullshit based on things you believe. your beliefe is based on your morals, point of view about what should happen or not, or just movies. but what you are claiming is just wrong and not true. but i am not jumping on you calling you a liar. you can do better
Maybe liar is too harsh. But you legit have no idea what youre talking about or are a troll. Simple.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah but he wasn't taking it personally. He got tagged,great job Cap, let's keep continuing the conversation. No indication he NEEDED a hand, he just didn't want to keep fighting. Because it's just a friendly spar.You're acting like he's all dazed and needs Cap's help to get up. When he's just sitting on the floor, having a chat.
i never said he was knocked out or badly injured. however, the point remains the same. they sparred, cap delivered an elbow to the back of his neck. shang chi falls down and keeps sitting while cap is reaching his hand to help him get up. there is no reason for shang chi to not get up. when cap was taken down he got right up and they continued the spar. but shang suddenly desides he just want to sit on the floor? come on man. i think we should stick to the more obvious and reasonable explanation.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Maybe liar is too harsh. But you legit have no idea what youre talking about or are a troll. Simple.
i am a boxer, but i dont know what am i talking about. amazing. you obviously know much better right? i mean you train and spar in the ring 5 days a week right? of course you are. its not like you are arguing about sparring, and actually claiming FACTS, without actually experiencing sparring, against a guy that actually spar almost daily. nah. it just wouldnt make any sense at all. What can i say, i am always amazed at how people are so full of ego, that they are arguing about fields they know nothing about. they think they are sooo smart. and they are sooo know it all, that they can argue anything, even things they dont know against people that come from that field. how much ego can one have...
Originally posted by Dareangel
i am sorry but you are the one who doesnt have any idea what you are talking about. i am a boxer and muay thai practitioner ok? i know very well what sparring is. sparring is a real fight simulation where the sparring partners agree to not go 100% thats it. go see a real spar and you will see faces broken and knock outs at every corner. i will repeat myself, a spar is a fight. a FIGHT. only difference is, the fighters are not going 100% and not trying to inflict maximum damage on their opponent. with those limits, cap still knocks shang chi down and kinda "takes him out" to some degree. that means if a full power cap will hit shang chi.... things might be worse. does that mean shang chi cant beat cap? no. it means what i said
But when Shang originally took Cap down he still had full control of his arm, and could have ended the session with an arm bar right then and there. You're making more out of it than you should, because Shang would have technically won within the first 5 seconds in if it were the real deal. That arm bar that I mentioned could have easily resulted in a broken arm.