Shang Chi vs batman

Originally posted by Stoic
But when Shang originally took Cap down he still had full control of his arm, and could have ended the session with an arm bar right then and there. You're making more out of it than you should, because Shang would have technically won within the first 5 seconds in if it were the real deal. That arm bar that I mentioned could have easily resulted in a broken arm.

bruh i already addressed that and said there is no argument that shang chi could continue to pummel cap. i am also not making an argument that based on that, cap will beat shang chi more times than not in a hand 2 hand fight. what i am saying is simple. cap not using 100% is able to damage shang chi via strike. therefor, a serious 100% cap probably can inflict even more damage. therefor, to me, its an indication that perhaps cap strikes too hard for shang chi to handle in the long run. of course in an all out fight shang chi will be more serious, use chi amped strikes and can take cap down.

Originally posted by Dareangel
i never said he was knocked out or badly injured. however, the point remains the same. they sparred, cap delivered an elbow to the bad of his head. shang chi falls down and keeps sitting while cap is reaching his hand to help him get up. there is no reason for shang chi to not get up. when can was taken down he got right up and they continued the spar. but shang suddenly desides he just want to sit on the floor? come on man. i think we should stick to the more obvious and reasonable explanation.

Yup, he's been tagged, and he's not continuing the sparring....

Because he doesn't have a point to prove. Like you said, it's sparring, when you get your nose broken, you don't think that guy's a douche, you just go yep, fair play man, good one.

If you don't want to keep fighting, sure. A sparring session means you can stop at any time. Shang is different from Cap.

A more obvious and reasonable......according to you lol. Doesn't make it right.

As said, you're acting as if Shang's dazed and confused. He's just sitting there, talking calmly as if nothing's happened. Zero indication of any damage.

Originally posted by Dareangel
bruh i already addressed that and said there is no argument that shang chi could continue to pummel cap. i am also not making an argument that based on that, cap will beat shang chi more times than not in a hand 2 hand fight. what i am saying is simple. cap not using 100% is able to damage shang chi via strike. therefor, a serious 100% cap probably can inflict even more damage. therefor, to me, its an indication that perhaps cap strikes too hard for shang chi to handle in the long run. of course in an all out fight shang chi will be more serious, use chi amped strikes and can take cap down.

Was Shang utilizing his chi during that sparring session? Since we can see that he wasn't, we know that he has several more gears to raise right? Since we've gotten past that fact, how can you still say that Steve would win if neither were going all out? Just stop while you're ahead.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yup, he's been tagged, and he's not continuing the sparring....

Because he doesn't have a point to prove. Like you said, it's sparring, when you get your nose broken, you don't think that guy's a douche, you just go yep, fair play man, good one.

If you don't want to keep fighting, sure. A sparring session means you can stop at any time. Shang is different from Cap.

A more obvious and reasonable......according to you lol. Doesn't make it right.

As said, you're acting as if Shang's dazed and confused. He's just sitting there, talking calmly as if nothing's happened. Zero indication of any damage.

there is no reason to repeat they were just sparring and they werent trying to hurt each other badly. we agree on that. the difference is the way we see what happened. you explained perfectly what you see and how you see it. i explained my view which is cap delivering an elbow to the back of the neck, knocking shang chi down as we see in the scans. next one is shang chi still seating while cap is reaching him a hand. i think the art was there to portray and show us that can had the upper hand and felt he needs to somewhat "help" shang chi get up after that blow. the fact they keep talking is nothing special because in the comics world, almost every single time someone is fighting, both characters are talking while fighting and even talking while dying. so shang chi being knocked down and still talking is nothing to indicate he was perfectly fine like nothing happened at all.

Originally posted by Dareangel
there is no reason to repeat they were just sparring and they werent trying to hurt each other badly. we agree on that. the difference is the way we see what happened. you explained perfectly what you see and how you see it. i explained my view which is cap delivering an elbow to the back of the neck, knocking shang chi down as we see in the scans. next one is shang chi still seating while cap is reaching him a hand. i think the art was there to portray and show us that can had the upper hand and felt he needs to somewhat "help" shang chi get up after that blow. the fact they keep talking is nothing special because in the comics world, almost every single time someone is fighting, both characters are talking while fighting and even talking while dying. so shang chi being knocked down and still talking is nothing to indicate he was perfectly fine like nothing happened at all.

So it comes back to what Sin I Am said from the start, it's a non feat. We can just toss it out and move on, because it isn't the way that a match between Batman and Shang would go down, nor should we even be using Captain America as a measuring tape to see how well Batman would do in this scenario.

Originally posted by Stoic
Was Shang utilizing his chi during that sparring session? Since we can see that he wasn't, we know that he has several more gears to raise right? Since we've gotten past that fac,t how can you still say that Steve would win if neither were going all out? Just stop while you're ahead.

but i never said steve is going to win. again, i dont use it as an indication of who will win. for all that i know, shang chi can beat his ass really badly with his chi amping. but i am saying this is an indication, based on the reasons i already gave, that cap is hitting hard, and perhaps too hard for shang. a not 100% cap knocking him down with 1 hit ending the spar is an indication that a more serious cap can make more damage. shang chi while sparring doesnt get a drop on durability. going 100% or less, your durability is your durability

Good God, this is still going.

Remember guys, Dare is the same guy who believes Wolverine was slashing the shit out of WWH when unconscious.

Originally posted by Stoic
So it comes back to what Sin I Am said from the start, it's a non feat. We can just toss it out and move on, because it isn't the way that a match between Batman and Shang would go down, nor should we even be using Captain America as a measuring tape to see how well Batman would do in this scenario.

i dont think we should use cap as an indication to batman because we dont know how their striking is compared. i do believe cap hits harder than batman but thats my opinion. speculations are useless here.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Good God, this is still going.

Remember guys, Dare is the same guy who believes Wolverine was slashing the shit out of WWH when unconscious.

we gotta give him the carver treatment...that's how we assert dominance

I'm afraid he's a different animal. You're feeding him.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
we gotta give him the carver treatment...that's how we assert dominance

Or maybe he IS Carver...

Kind of an odd thing, arguing Wolverine was slashing up Hulk while unconscious. Almost the exact thing a sock would try and argue to remove all credibility from the opposing team...

Maybe he's the reincarnation of Raz and wants to burn this place to the ground...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'm afraid he's a different animal. You're feeding him.

well its not like we're gonna get a decent debate in anyway. we're arguing the relevance of a sparring match for gods sake. nobody has even mentioned wayne since page 1

Originally posted by cdtm
Or maybe he IS Carver...

Kind of an odd thing, arguing Wolverine was slashing up Hulk while unconscious. Almost the exact thing a sock would try and argue to remove all credibility from the opposing team...

diabolical

Originally posted by Sin I AM
well its not like we're gonna get a decent debate in anyway. we're arguing the relevance of a sparring match for gods sake. nobody has even mentioned wayne since page 1

I have 😠

Originally posted by Sin I AM
well its not like we're gonna get a decent debate in anyway. we're arguing the relevance of a sparring match for gods sake. nobody has even mentioned wayne since page 1

I'm having trouble calling it a sparring.

Very short one, which was meant to respect both characters.

This shit about Steve approaching Shang and giving him a hand... lol, barely visible in the panel. Debatable, too. Perhaps Shang was just waving his hand, while talking about the whole Zheng Zu situation.

And yeah, if this was a fight, Shang wouldn't need to let Steve get up in the 1st page.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Closet homosexuality. Got it. Thx Stilt

You underestimate my patriotism.

There is nothing 'closet' about my devotion to the church of Steve Rogers.

Dareangel VERSUS SIN I AM.

2018!!!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Dareangel VERSUS SIN I AM.

2018!!!

Quiet you

Originally posted by Sin I AM
well its not like we're gonna get a decent debate in anyway. we're arguing the relevance of a sparring match for gods sake. nobody has even mentioned wayne since page 1

the oldest and most childish tactic. when ever you dont have an argument, try to bring the other side down with personal and/or cinical bashing. let me guess, you are liberal right?