Kylo Ren vs. Count Dooku

Started by quanchi11212 pages

Originally posted by Placidity
*Potential* raw power in the force, not saber combat. While the force can enhance saber skills, said skills are mastered through training.

Kylo had that excuse in his first film, he failed to demonstrate anything better in the new movie. All we see is him struggle with the guards, so that point doesn't stand at all.

Your examples are low-showings, which are countered by average/high-level showings, of which there are plenty more. Kylo has no such feats - consistently weak.

Also, no one in the upper echelon has had problems with non-force users in direct combat. This forum's dear Quan Clown believes Snoke/Kylo are in that group. We see Yoda casually TK the Emperor's guards, and Sidious toy with Maul and Savage.

Kylo had training and Rey had some training as well as combat experience.

He defeated Luke prior to the first film. He was also spiritually weakened, shot by a bowcaster prior to that fight.

No, he's consistently powerful. Defeated Luke, Poe Dameron, defeated Rey once, tag teamed Snoke's guards who are elite.

Yoda beat two guards who didn't attack and just aimed their weapons at Yoda. They aren't the same guards nor did they even attack. Entirely different situation with inferior numbers allied against him.

Originally posted by Raptor22
Dooku. This isn't even a contest
Based on ?

Originally posted by Raptor22
Dooku. This isn't even a contest
Being Dooku is old he may break a little sweat but that's it.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Being Dooku is old he may break a little sweat but that's it.
Kylo is too powerful and too skilled to lose this to him. Kylo kills him quickly.

I began supporting Kylo. But honestly Kylo just hasnt shown enough.

Furthermore, Kylo's experience and knowledge arent nothing compared to Dooku.

Dooku is just on another level.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I began supporting Kylo. But honestly Kylo just hasnt shown enough.

Furthermore, Kylo's experience and knowledge arent nothing compared to Dooku.

Dooku is just on another level.

Exactly.

Dooku spent decades as a highly respected Jedi Master before becoming a Sith Lord.

Ren should stick with struggling against untrained initiates and non-force using guards.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I began supporting Kylo. But honestly Kylo just hasnt shown enough.

Furthermore, Kylo's experience and knowledge arent nothing compared to Dooku.

Dooku is just on another level.

Nah, he wasn't enough to best Anakin and it won't be enough to beat Kylo. Kylo is younger, more powerful, and too technically sound to lose to Dooku.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Exactly.

Dooku spent decades as a highly respected Jedi Master before becoming a Sith Lord.

Ren should stick with struggling against untrained initiates and non-force using guards.

So ? Ben beat Luke who guy who crushed Darth Vader. Ren takes him to school.

Dooku is far superior in force skill and saber combat.

He crushes Ren.

Originally posted by playa1258
Dooku is far superior in force skill and saber combat.

He crushes Ren.

He's just overall a cooler character than Kylo.

Originally posted by playa1258
Dooku is far superior in force skill and saber combat.

He crushes Ren.

Nah, Anakin stomped him. Luke crushed Anakin. Ben beat Luke. Kylo beats Dooku. Too much power and skill for old man Dooku.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
He's just overall a cooler character than Kylo.
See you're a biased fanboy without s shred of objectivity. Your hatred of the new trilogy makes me sick.

Originally posted by quanchi112
See you're a biased fanboy without s shred of objectivity. Your hatred of the new trilogy makes me sick.
I don't hate the new trilogy, I just hate the Last Jedi. The Force Awakens was f*cking awesome.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I don't hate the new trilogy, I just hate the Last Jedi. The Force Awakens was f*cking awesome.
Ok this film was better than Force Awakens so again we have a difference of opinion but you'll cry I'm biased. You're a dope.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I don't hate the new trilogy, I just hate the Last Jedi. The Force Awakens was f*cking awesome.

F*** no! TFA was just a blatant ANH rip off.

At least Rian Johnson actually had the balls to surprise us.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I don't hate the new trilogy, I just hate the Last Jedi. The Force Awakens was f*cking awesome.

👆

Abrams has A LOT of fixing to do...

Originally posted by Darth Thor
F*** no! TFA was just a blatant ANH rip off.

At least Rian Johnson actually had the balls to surprise us.

How did he surprise you exactly?

By making a shitty movie?

Shitty movie with huge parts ripped from V and VI.

Did you get the Hoth vibe from the Crait scene?

I sure did.

Of course I did.

Not to mention the ROTJ one from Snoke's throneroom. Especially when he's showing Rey what's happening with Rebel ships.