Kylo Ren vs. Count Dooku

The Last Jedi stealing ideas from the OT is not the reason I dislike this movie though.

I know, otherwise we'd have hated TFA as well. Which is clearly not the case here.

Finn and Rose arc was so bad and unnecessary, I stopped paying attention. Broom boy at the end only makes it worse.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah, he wasn't enough to best Anakin and it won't be enough to beat Kylo. Kylo is younger, more powerful, and too technically sound to lose to Dooku.

By that time Dooku was already old and nothig compared to his prime. Also he was already tired. The War had weakend the Count.

Anakin was a young Jedi with rage in his heart.

Besides Anakin is WAYYYYY better than Kylo.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Exactly.

Dooku spent decades as a highly respected Jedi Master before becoming a Sith Lord.

Ren should stick with struggling against untrained initiates and non-force using guards.

Yeah.

He was a Veteran Jedi. His knowledge and experience was way high when Sidious took him.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
By that time Dooku was already old and nothig compared to his prime. Also he was already tired. The War had weakend the Count.

Anakin was a young Jedi with rage in his heart.

Besides Anakin is WAYYYYY better than Kylo.

Yeah.

He was a Veteran Jedi. His knowledge and experience was way high when Sidious took him.

Kylo is young and has rage in his heart. I agree.

Nah, Ben beat Vader.

Dooku isn't the powerhouse Kylo has ever been.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
By that time Dooku was already old and nothig compared to his prime. Also he was already tired. The War had weakend the Count.

Anakin was a young Jedi with rage in his heart.

I don't know if Dooku was weakened, but we do know that ---

[list][*]Anakin was still discovering his true potential, having his powers doubled in very short time before facing Dooku in RotS

[*]Dooku already spent a good portion of his energy on quickly and effectively subduing Obi-Wan[/list]

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I don't know if Dooku was weakened, but we do know that ---

[list][*]Anakin was still discovering his true potential, having his powers doubled in very short time before facing Dooku in RotS

[*]Dooku already spent a good portion of his energy on quickly and effectively subduing Obi-Wan[/list]

The ROTS happened 2-3 years after the beginning of the CWs.

When Dooku defeated both Obi and Anakin he was already old.

When he faced Anakin in ROTS, Dooku was even older and deteriorated by the war.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
How did he surprise you exactly?

By making a shitty movie?

Yeah you’re right. Best just to keep copying the OT bit by bit like Genius Abrams did.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The ROTS happened 2-3 years after the beginning of the CWs.

When Dooku defeated both Obi and Anakin he was already old.

When he faced Anakin in ROTS, Dooku was even older and deteriorated by the war.

3 years is not much, Dooku stayed in perfect shape despite of it... where was it stated that it affected him? He was nothing like ANH Kenobi.

If you see Anakin and Dooku fight in TCW series, it’s pretty blatant that Anakin would be his superior by ROTS.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
3 years is not much, Dooku stayed in perfect shape despite of it... where was it stated that it affected him? He was nothing like ANH Kenobi.

Dooku was getting older where as Anakin was getting stronger.

He was 80 something when Anakin defeated him.

3 years of war can be deteriorating.

You can notice the difference from a 78 years old man and a 81 years old one.

Age really doesn't matter in SW as much as it does in RL - and Dooku was a Dark Jedi Master/Sith Lord.

It's just your headcanon, unless you can back it up with something.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Age really doesn't matter in SW as much as it does in RL - and Dooku was a Dark Jedi Master/Sith Lord.

It's just your headcanon, unless you can back it up with something.

Age always matters in a mortal being.

Unless you are talking about a being with a long lifespam then a couple of years wouldnt matter.

In this case Dooku was pretty old when he was defeated by Anakin.

Not when you're imbued with the Force.

Old by our standards, not so much by SW ones.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not when you're imbued with the Force.

Old by our standards, not so much by SW ones.

Maybe not powerwise. But physically it does.

And Old Jedi wouldnt move as fast or have the same resistance as a Young One.

Physicals are dependent on the Force, too.

No. All depends on their mastery of the Force. Dooku was faster than Kenobi who was faster than Jinn. So... no ABC age logic here.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah you’re right. Best just to keep copying the OT bit by bit like Genius Abrams did.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Johnson took major parts from two OT movies and still made a shitty movie, at least Abrams got it right.

IOW when you copy the OT, copy EVERYTHING. Don’t make Any Changes.

Jar Jar Abrams at his best 👆

Kylo wins and here's why:

Spoiler:
Just kidding. Dooku wipes the floor with Ren. True story.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Physicals are dependent on the Force, too.

No. All depends on their mastery of the Force. Dooku was faster than Kenobi who was faster than Jinn. So... no ABC age logic here.

Yoda who is considered amongst the fastest Jedi ever was pretty slow by the time of ROTJ.

Well Yoda appeared slow in the Prequels as well, until it was time to kick ass, then he used the force to aid his quick movement. When he was fighting Dooku he went from walking slowly with a cain, to doing backflips and jumping off the walls to walking slowly with his cain again.