Originally posted by FrothByteBucky hit Tony with nearly all his might. That is not debatable. To do so is trolling and going against what the writer’s intentions. Bucky’s face had great strain and he yelped. The elbow was very fast and penetrated at least several inches past Tony’s face.
I'm not ignoring anything. A short jab of the elbow like Bucky delivered wouldn't leave too much of a mark if done by a regular human being. Maybe a slight cut to the cheekbone. It's not a strong hit. But due to Bucky's superhuman strength you see how even a quick elbow jab messed up Tony's face.I don't see what your issue is. The results on Tony's face are consistent with Bucky's strength level.
Why are you even focusing on this when the relevant issue here is that Tchalla survived Bucky's metal arm punch, not a short jab from his human elbow.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove it was due to training.
If Ozy did it via training that was never once shown onscreen, then Tony took Bucky's elbow because of actual visible H2H training and conditioning we see in IM2 (the ring training scene with Happy and Black Widow). If H1 tries to argue training in favour of Ozy but against Tony, he is going directly against screen feats.
Originally posted by h1a8
Bucky hit Tony with nearly all his might. That is not debatable. To do so is trolling and going against what the writer’s intentions. Bucky’s face had great strain and he yelped. The elbow was very fast and penetrated at least several inches past Tony’s face.
A short elbow jab delivered backwards is never going to be as strong as a full straight punch delivered with your weight behind it. That is not debatable. To do so is trolling and is going against the writer's intentions, basic physics and some fairly common fighting technique knowledge.
Originally posted by h1a8
Bucky hit Tony with nearly all his might. That is not debatable. To do so is trolling and going against what the writer’s intentions. Bucky’s face had great strain and he yelped. The elbow was very fast and penetrated at least several inches past Tony’s face.
A short elbow jab delivered backwards is never going to be as strong as a full straight punch delivered with your weight behind it, regardless of how much you shout or strain your face. That is not debatable. To do so is trolling and is going against the writer's intentions, basic physics and some fairly common fighting technique knowledge.
Originally posted by Silent Master
In other words, you have absolutely zero proof.Movie physics.
So, let me get this straight, according to H1:
Tony takes 2 hits from a Superhuman without dying = "Can only be movie star physics protecting him."
Ozy performs the bullet catch = "Can only be conditioning."
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So, let me get this straight, according to H1:Tony takes 2 hits from a Superhuman without dying = "Can only be movie star physics protecting him."
Ozy performs the bullet catch = "Can only be conditioning."
Welcome to H1 land, home of the forum's biggest hypocrite. This week's special, double standards.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Movie star physics.. I have been on here to damn long for someone to say that
H1 likes to invent new terms and expects them to be canon. Terms like movie star physics and writer's intentions and such.
I mean to be fair, there is a bit of sense in what he's saying. It's just that he exaggerates their impact on these debates.
Originally posted by FrothByte
A short elbow jab delivered backwards is never going to be as strong as a full straight punch delivered with your weight behind it, regardless of how much you shout or strain your face. That is not debatable. To do so is trolling and is going against the writer's intentions, basic physics and some fairly common fighting technique knowledge.
Basically, you are claiming that Bucky doesn't have sufficient strength to break human bone with a vicious elbow.
Originally posted by Silent Master
In other words, you have absolutely zero proof.Movie physics.
Deduction is the strongest reasoning. It's impossible for a deductive argument to be wrong. Therefore it is proof.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So, let me get this straight, according to H1:Tony takes 2 hits from a Superhuman without dying = "Can only be movie star physics protecting him."
Ozy performs the bullet catch = "Can only be conditioning."
Exactly, speed and reflexes can be improved greatly. Durability can too, but not as much and it requires proof of training.
Tony is an ordinary human in the film. Nothing special about him other than he is a star of the movie.
Originally posted by h1a8
That elbow was vicious. Plus you are still ignoring that it was nearly all of his might. From a normal human it would break the nose or ko. From a superhuman it should kill AND break the face.Basically, you are claiming that Bucky doesn't have sufficient strength to break human bone with a vicious elbow.
Deduction is the strongest reasoning. It's impossible for a deductive argument to be wrong. Therefore it is proof.
Exactly, speed and reflexes can be improved greatly. Durability can too, but not as much and it requires proof of training.
Tony is an ordinary human in the film. Nothing special about him other than he is a star of the movie.
Like I said, you seem completely clueless when it comes to fighting techniques. No matter how much strength you put into a strike, somw strikes are just more powerful than others. Also, most decent fighters never put full strength in each and every hit. And finally, you cannot judge the strength of a hit based solely on a person's yell.
All of these are common sense. To disagree would mean you're trolling.
You are also derailing the thread, since Tony's durability has nothing to do with this fight.
Originally posted by FrothByteSo again Bucky does not have the strength to break human bone or a human cartilage with a vicious elbow to the face by using near all his might.
Like I said, you seem completely clueless when it comes to fighting techniques. No matter how much strength you put into a strike, somw strikes are just more powerful than others. Also, most decent fighters never put full strength in each and every hit. And finally, you cannot judge the strength of a hit based solely on a person's yell.All of these are common sense. To disagree would mean you're trolling.
You are also derailing the thread, since Tony's durability has nothing to do with this fight.
Good to know.
Originally posted by h1a8
So again Bucky does not have the strength to break human bone or a human cartilage with a vicious elbow to the face by using near all his might.Good to know.
I have a news flash for you: You can only break a nose if you actually hit it. If you notice Tony's bruising on his face, you notice that they are not on his nose. Common sense I know, but it looked like you needed it spelled out for you still.
And no, Bucky wasn't using all his might, if you actually read what I said a few zillion times now you'd already know that. Maybe one day you should try actually learning how to throw punches and elbows, maybe you'll understand.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I have a news flash for you: You can only break a nose if you actually hit it. If you notice Tony's bruising on his face, you notice that they are not on his nose. Common sense I know, but it looked like you needed it spelled out for you still.And no, Bucky wasn't using all his might, if you actually read what I said a few zillion times now you'd already know that. Maybe one day you should try actually learning how to throw punches and elbows, maybe you'll understand.
Buckys strain on his face and his yell says otherwise. Bucky supposedly is a 2-5 tonner. It's hard to imagine that an elbow from him would do the exact same thing as a human elbowing.