Originally posted by h1a8
Here is your question.
I'm not sure I understand your answer. You'll need to clarify what you mean by movie physics of human stars (because that's one ridiculously ambiguous answer).
Are you saying that because of movie physics, both Bucky and Ozy are not superstrong because they failed to break faces on those instances? Or are you saying they're both super strong despite not being able to break faces?
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't know the exact quotes. But I gave examples. People using particular feats for humans to show that they have superhuman durability. For example, BW has superhuman durability because of her hulk feat.
No. you made claims. with no poster's names attached or evidence backing them up.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't know the exact quotes. But I gave examples. People using particular feats for humans to show that they have superhuman durability. For example, BW has superhuman durability because of her hulk feat.
Dude:
Originally posted by dadudemon
I've already responded to that point regarding the human body, physics, and the punches:
Originally posted by dadudemon
He used to demo his 1 inch punch to large crowds.It was more like 3 inches.
I decided to test Bruce Lee's one inch punch out. So I went back in time to 1972, and asked him to show me. Right when he went to punch (at the first movement I saw from his fist), I slapped his face, put some coins in his other hand just so I could take them out to prove how much better I was than Bruce Lee, then I smacked his left buttock all before I went back to the original position to block his fist.
He looked right into my eyes, with utter shock. I just smirked right back at him for about 5 awkward seconds. Then I made the classic monkey "ooooooooooo!" sound that Bruce Lee usually does. Then he relaxed his face and faintly smiled and said, "awww, I see. You are a martial artist as well. I wasn't certain until you made the monkey sound."
I love how when H1 is asked to provide examples of other people pulling his BS i.e. claiming A. a person either lacks super strength in a scene, or B. the movie has decided humans can tank superhuman hits, he does absolutely no thing of the sort, yet acts like he has.
Listing Black Widow taking a hit from the Hulk is NOT an example. I have never seen anyone take that feat and claim that either A. the Hulk lacked super strength in that scene, or B. this means that any human in the first Avengers film can tank superhuman hits. People just use it as a good durability feat for BW, personally.
So, instead of actually providing any proof of his claim (that he is using the standards and metrics of others), he instead decides to be dishonest and create a false equivalence. Because acknowledging a durability feat for one character is not even remotely the same as either trying to apply the feat to everyone, or acting like the aggressor involved in the feat was weak. And even despite this blatant misrepresentation on his part, he still couldn't name any specific names.
Originally posted by Silent Master
No. you made claims. with no poster's names attached or evidence backing them up.
Also notice how people bringing up Black Widow taking a hit from the Hulk as a durability showing isn't even an example of what he is doing. Because no one takes that showing and says either the Hulk hit her with human force, or it means any humans in the film can tank superhuman punches... while simultaneously NOT applying the standard to another character they support.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm not sure I understand your answer. You'll need to clarify what you mean by movie physics of human stars (because that's one ridiculously ambiguous answer).Are you saying that because of movie physics, both Bucky and Ozy are not superstrong because they failed to break faces on those instances? Or are you saying they're both super strong despite not being able to break faces?
The latter. In some movies (such as Watchmen) Human stars are protected against forces that would normally kill or greatly damage a real human.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I love how when H1 is asked to provide examples of other people pulling his BS i.e. claiming A. a person either lacks super strength in a scene, or B. the movie has decided humans can tank superhuman hits, he does absolutely no thing of the sort, yet acts like he has.Listing Black Widow taking a hit from the Hulk is NOT an example. I have never seen anyone take that feat and claim that either A. the Hulk lacked super strength in that scene, or B. this means that any human in the first Avengers film can tank superhuman hits. People just use it as a good durability feat for BW, personally.
So, instead of actually providing any proof of his claim (that he is using the standards and metrics of others), he instead decides to be dishonest and create a false equivalence. Because acknowledging a durability feat for one character is not even remotely the same as either trying to apply the feat to everyone, or acting like the aggressor involved in the feat was weak. And even despite this blatant misrepresentation on his part, he still couldn't name any specific names.
That's because you understand nothing of the exchange. That is what happens when you don't read every relevant post.
Basically everything you just said isn't even close to what was being discussed.
Originally posted by h1a8
The latter. In some movies (such as Watchmen) Human stars are protected against forces that would normally kill or greatly damage a real human.
Ok, then following that reason Bucky is still super strong despite Tony's face not breaking from a short elbow jab. So why did you bother bringing that point up if you didn't believe in it?
Originally posted by h1a8
The latter. In some movies (such as Watchmen) Human stars are protected against forces that would normally kill or greatly damage a real human.
Yet you have used those instances as proof of their durability of multiple times, are you saying that you've been trolling this entire time?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok, then following that reason Bucky is still super strong despite Tony's face not breaking from a short elbow jab. So why did you bother bringing that point up if you didn't believe in it?
Because I was trying to show you that T'Challa taking Bucky metal arm must be taken with a grain of salt since the movie already established its physics towards human stars.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Yet you have used those instances as proof of their durability of multiple times, are you saying that you've been trolling this entire time?
Trolling is intentional.
I used the same metrics others have.
Now if I go back to the Roschach thread claiming durability then I would be trolling.
Originally posted by h1a8
Trolling is intentional.
I used the same metrics others have.
Now if I go back to the Roschach thread claiming durability then I would be trolling.
You keep saying that you're just using the same metrics others have, yet you have provided no quotes or links to prove it.
Sounds more like you got caught trolling and are lying to try and save face.
Originally posted by h1a8
Because I was trying to show you that T'Challa taking Bucky metal arm must be taken with a grain of salt since the movie already established its physics towards human stars.
So following that reason, you agree that none of the fighters Ozy has fought actually has superhuman durability?
Originally posted by h1a8
Now answer my questions. What's your take on Tony taking a Bucky elbow without a broken face or being koed? And what's your take on Rorschach surviving such a kick from Ozy?
Tony taking an elbow from Bucky and Ozy not breaking faces with his punches is easy to explain. No decent fighter ever puts full power in all their hits. Some hits are feints, some are just distractions, some are used to setup a person for a more powerful hit, etc. Just watch boxers fight, their jabs won't usually be as strong as their crosses.
Bucky's elbow was obviously a set up for for Bucky's straight which floored Tony and took him out of the fight.
Same can be applied to Ozy but to a lesser degree, because his opponents withstood multiple punches to the face without serious injury, which seems to show that Ozy is not that much massively stronger than his opponents.
The kick is where your human physics theory comes in to place. Movie humans are undeniably tougher than regular humans. Able to survive hits that should knock them out or seriously injure..
In the end though this doesn't matter as much, because there is no instance where a human took Bucky's metal arm and got right back up. Every person who's taken a hit from that arm and withstood it has been a superhuman.