Ozymandias vs. Black Panther

Originally posted by h1a8
okay I get it. You forgot what I said a while ago. I said that since Ozy sent Rorschach forward a large distance then it negates the fact that Rorschach wasn't killed.

Bucky has superhuman strength because of his other feats. Thus option 2 for both him and Ozy or invalid.

Nope, that was just the movie's physics coming into play.

Then TChalla tanking Bucky's robo arm is a super durability feat. I don't see what the problem is?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Tony is in the same movie as BP so he should be mentioned in this thread.... yeah.... that makes soo much sense.

On the other hand, Ozy is actually fighting in this thread so his strength is definitely on topic, in which case using your logic he doesn't have super strength because he didn't break NO's face with repeated punches.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Nope, that was just the movie's physics coming into play.

Which shows that they are both very strong.I

Originally posted by h1a8
Which shows that they are both very strong.I

Nope, which shows that in the Watchmenverse, normal human strength is enough to hit people that far.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Nope, which shows that in the Watchmenverse, normal human strength is enough to hit people that far.

There is nothing normal about it. It just implies that with sufficient training a human can achieve that level of strength.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is nothing normal about it.

Sure there is, you're just upset that I applied "the movie's physics" argument to your second option.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Sure there is, you're just upset that I applied "the movie's physics" argument to your second option.

Originally posted by h1a8
now you are making stuff up. The fact is I'm not seeing how your logic is Flowing or how the conclusion follows

Nope, I'm using your exact logic, I'm just applying the "the movie's physics" argument to your second option.

If you can't follow your own logic, what does that say about your logic?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Nope, I'm using your exact logic, I'm just applying the "the movie's physics" argument to your second option.

If you can't follow your own logic, what does that say about your logic?

Originally posted by h1a8
you are using faulty logic

I'm using your logic, so thank you for admitting that your logic is faulty.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm using your logic, so thank you for admitting that your logic is faulty.

Ok, let's just stop this nonsense. Bottom line is, Ozy is not as strong or as durable as TChalla. Period. Ozy has never taken a hit from a superhuman like TChalla has, heck he never even took a direct full powered hit from a human. There's no proof of his durability unlike TChalla's.

Ozy's opponents also withstood multiple hits from him before going down, whereas even a high end fighter like Black Widow can't survive for more than a few seconds against Bucky. Every human opponent Bucky faced couldn't take more than a few hits before going down... and Tchalla proved equal in strength to Bucky if not more.

Ozy's strengths lie in his skill and speed, because that bullet catching feat and the fact that he doesn't seem to get hit are pretty impressive feats. But there's no way you can convince anyone that he's just as strong and durable as TChalla.

Originally posted by h1a8
if you would have use my logic then you would not have come to your conclusion

Sure I would, as long as I applied your logic to the second option.

You're just upset that I'm not applying your logic to the same option you picked.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok, let's just stop this nonsense. Bottom line is, Ozy is not as strong or as durable as TChalla. Period. Ozy has never taken a hit from a superhuman like TChalla has, heck he never even took a direct full powered hit from a human. There's no proof of his durability unlike TChalla's.

Ozy's opponents also withstood multiple hits from him before going down, whereas even a high end fighter like Black Widow can't survive for more than a few seconds against Bucky. Every human opponent Bucky faced couldn't take more than a few hits before going down... and Tchalla proved equal in strength to Bucky if not more.

Ozy's strengths lie in his skill and speed, because that bullet catching feat and the fact that he doesn't seem to get hit are pretty impressive feats. But there's no way you can convince anyone that he's just as strong and durable as TChalla.

Won't stop him from trying, though he does seem to throw a fit when his made up standards are used against him.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok, let's just stop this nonsense. Bottom line is, Ozy is not as strong or as durable as TChalla. Period. Ozy has never taken a hit from a superhuman like TChalla has, heck he never even took a direct full powered hit from a human. There's no proof of his durability unlike TChalla's.

Ozy's opponents also withstood multiple hits from him before going down, whereas even a high end fighter like Black Widow can't survive for more than a few seconds against Bucky. Every human opponent Bucky faced couldn't take more than a few hits before going down... and Tchalla proved equal in strength to Bucky if not more.

Ozy's strengths lie in his skill and speed, because that bullet catching feat and the fact that he doesn't seem to get hit are pretty impressive feats. But there's no way you can convince anyone that he's just as strong and durable as TChalla.

Ozy's durability is irrelevant if he won't get hit.
T'Challa has no strength feats above Ozy. So your conclusion about him being stronger does not follow.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ozy's durability is irrelevant if he won't get hit.
T'Challa has no strength feats above Ozy. So your conclusion about him being stronger does not follow.

Ozy doesn't have enhanced speed or strength.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Ozy doesn't have enhanced speed or strength.

His actions in the film Watchmen show he has both

Originally posted by Robtard
His actions in the film Watchmen show he has both

I'm using h1's logic to make that statement.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ozy's durability is irrelevant if he won't get hit.
T'Challa has no strength feats above Ozy. So your conclusion about him being stronger does not follow.

And how do you know he won't get hit? He's never faced an enhanced fighter like TChalla before. Someone who is fast enough to keep up with cars in a freeway.

Majority of Ozy's defense were also composed of blocks, more so than dodges. How's he going to block hits from an opponent stronger than him?

TChalla matched strengths with Bucky and Cap, both of whom have lots of strength feats that put them above Ozy.