Ozymandias vs. Black Panther

Originally posted by FrothByte
No. Just no. A short elbow jab like that if delivered by a human would have at most made a small cut on the cheekbone, maybe given a black eye of it landed near enough the eye. Mostly all it would do is give you a reddish puffy cheek, especially if you're fighting someone who's not stationary and knows how to roll with a punch. It's not really that strong, not the way WS did it. He didn't put his weight into it nor torque his torso. All he used was his shoulder muscle to propel that hit and it turned Tony's face into a big purple bruise. That's proof of Bucky's superhuman strength.

You've proven time and again that you don't know how fighting works. I have laid down some facts for you, so are you going to ignore them again like a troll?

And again you're ignoring the fact that Bucky didn't mean for that hit to be a knockout blow, he used it as a setup for his straight punch.

It was a full elbow. It extended several inches behind Tony’s face. It was delivered with nearly full might.

Ignoring for the moment that he is wrong in his interpretation of the visuals, has anyone else noticed that H1 is once again using visuals as evidence. When he has multiple times chided us for using visuals?

H1 standards for what constitutes proof appears to fluctuate based on what he believes is best for his current argument.

Originally posted by h1a8
I did. Find my post.

I've read every post you've made in this thread, you haven't actually proven anything.

A full elbow delivered with the shoulder, without torque or body weight added. A full elbow that was quickly retracted in order to deliver a straight punch. A fulp elbow without a follow through, delivered with a snap.

Now, let's discuss TChalla tanking that metal arm.

Originally posted by FrothByte
A full elbow delivered with the shoulder, without torque or body weight added. A full elbow that was quickly retracted in order to deliver a straight punch. A fulp elbow without a follow through, delivered with a snap.

Now, let's discuss TChalla tanking that metal arm.

lol he's made it until page 24 without properly addressing it, so I doubt he is going to now. Because his personal speculation about how "movie physics could have protected T'Challa" is not evidence. It's speculation based on his personal interpretation of an elbow-strike, and it does not trump numerous onscreen feats that were visibly performed by the metal arm (which Tony, who he keeps harping on about, never withstood). After all, we're all familiar with the MvF Golden Rule.

Originally posted by FrothByte
A full elbow delivered with the shoulder, without torque or body weight added. A full elbow that was quickly retracted in order to deliver a straight punch. A fulp elbow without a follow through, delivered with a snap.

Now, let's discuss TChalla tanking that metal arm.

There was a lot of torque (he twister around more than 90 degrees in the delivery) and body weight added (he leaned into it). The elbow went several inches past Tony’s head in milliseconds. It was super fast (camera speed) and vicious. There was tremendous face strain when delivering the blow (proof that he was using near full might).

Basically, this is trolling at this point. It’s crystal clear that it was a vicious elbow that if applied by a regular human could break nose, ko, give black eye, etc).
But this elbow was applied by a supposedly superhuman.

So you're just blatantly going to exaggerate a scene. What a troll. He was already twisted before delivering the elbow, he didn't leash in to it and he didn't cross Tony's center line. And in the end, this thread has nothing to do with Tony.

I'm done playing along with your troll tactics. Let's stick to what matters: BP tanked a metal arm punch. Address this.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So you're just blatantly going to exaggerate a scene. What a troll. He was already twisted before delivering the elbow, he didn't leash in to it and he didn't cross Tony's center line. And in the end, this thread has nothing to do with Tony.

I'm done playing along with your troll tactics. Let's stick to what matters: BP tanked a metal arm punch. Address this.

I have the video footage. The first frame his back is against Tony, he twists and delivers the elbow. The motion is shown on screen. He turns approximately 90 degrees in the process. He also leans into the elbow. He has a strain on his face and yells.

Originally posted by h1a8
I have the video footage. The first frame his back is against Tony, he twists and delivers the elbow. The motion is shown on screen. He turns approximately 90 degrees in the process. He also leans into the elbow. He has a strain on his face and yells.

Panther tanking the metal arm? You gonna ignore that part?

Originally posted by h1a8
I have the video footage. The first frame his back is against Tony, he twists and delivers the elbow. The motion is shown on screen. He turns approximately 90 degrees in the process. He also leans into the elbow. He has a strain on his face and yells.

TChalla tanked a metal arm punch. Let's stay on topic please.

Originally posted by FrothByte
TChalla tanked a metal arm punch. Let's stay on topic please.

^ Prove that Ozy is strong enough to hurt Tchalla seriously. Prove that Ozy can tank getting hit by Tchalla.

Amazing how for pages and pages, he nitpicked that elbow strike to death. But when it comes to addressing the actual metal arm, all he does is throw out a vague declaration.

Originally posted by h1a8
Which doesn’t mean a lot when it comes to Ozy. Ozy can definitely put him down with a sufficient number of blows.

Why does BP taking a vastly superhuman hit without damage not mean much?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why does BP taking a vastly superhuman hit without damage not mean much?

Originally posted by FrothByte
^ Prove that Ozy is strong enough to hurt Tchalla seriously. Prove that Ozy can tank getting hit by Tchalla.

So he didn't knock a car off the road with a tap? Casually stop a shield that could **** up a quinjet? Punch open a containment unit meant to hold guys like Ghost Rider?

Originally posted by h1a8
Ozy is superhumanly strong. This he can hurt TChalla easily.

Prove his superstrength is sufficient to hurt TChalla. Take note that TChalla has taken shots from Bucky and easily got back up. You'd need to prove that Ozy is at least as strong as Bucky if not more.

Originally posted by h1a8
Because it wasn’t vastly superhuman and Ozy is superhumanly strong.

Per "the movies physics" Ozy only has normal human strength.

Originally posted by KingD19
So he didn't knock a car off the road with a tap? Casually stop a shield that could **** up a quinjet? Punch open a containment unit meant to hold guys like Ghost Rider?

Now wait for him to apply his "inconsistent power levels" argument to try and lowball those feats (which, of course, he will only do to the MCU side), and try to claim that his other feats don't count because of that... In the same thread where he spent over 20 pages trying to use a feat from a human elbow-strike against Tony in place of the actual feat in question.