Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Aim dodging is the most pathetic bullshit excuse I've ever heard to try and discredit someone dodging gun fire, it infuriates me.
I get where you're coming from, and I usually hate BS excuses like "combat speed" people use on characters like Superman too, but aim dodging isn't the same. The alternative is that a character is a flat out bullet timer, and they shouldn't be attributed that kind of credit if they aren't explicitly shown to actually dodge a bullet. There are different tiers to that kind of reaction speed. You've got aim dodging, which is the least impressive (but is still insanely impressive). Then you have bullet dodging which qualifies you as a bullet timer. The most impressive tier is flat out catching a bullet which requires the speed, precision, and perception to pull off. I'm not saying Ozy is that final tier since the bullet he caught was from an older gun and has a slower velocity than normal bullets, but it still comfortably beats out aim dodging.
The alternative is that every character who has ever evaded gunfire is a bullet timer. I definitely don't consider Black Widow or Daredevil (yet) a bullet timer, for example. Tony Stark was quick enough to catch the barrel of WS handgun and block the bullet with an armored glove, but he doesn't have any kind of super human reaction speed. An example of aim dodging is also Ozy's elevator scene, and it was shown in slow motion which makes it one of the most explicit examples of aim dodging I've ever seen.
I also don't agree with H1's "Hitting someone across the room is the red herring" assessment. Giving Ozy credit for that but not T'Challa just doesn't make sense. The amount of force required to have that kind of effect indicates an obvious level of super strength. You can't pick and choose what to and what not to attribute on the basis of fanboyism. That's Quan territory. People on this forum also have a bad habit of treating Ozy like he's nothing above peak human when he puts out hits like that, over powers a man that can break concrete with his punches, can leap 30 feat into the air and across a room, and can toss a 300lb man through plate glass "you'd have to step on the gas just to put a crack in". The guy even let Nite Owl have a flurry of free hits to his face and was only mildly annoyed, and NO is a guy who can send people soaring with his hits and break bone with a punch. Ozy is super human in strength, speed, durability, and reaction.
On that note, I can agree that Ozy isn't as strong or durable as the parties being discussed here (though he doesn't lag behind by too much), but he is faster and more skilled and he is durable enough to take a good amount of hits from an unarmored T'Challa. Just look at Ozy blocking and attacking through the simultaneous assault of both Rorschach and NO and compare it to Winter Soldier taking Tony, Sharon, and Black Widow one at a time and each of them actually putting up a fight. This fight boils down to the fact that Ozy is fast enough to avoid BPs attacks while peppering him with punches that would do damage. BP just wouldn't be able to last.