Ozymandias vs. Black Panther

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you can't prove it that just shows that you made it up in order to help your failing argument.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Ozy never used this speed you talk about in a fight.

😂 @ BP would be a statue.

The bullet catch was something Ozy timed and anticipated. Yet after he was down and out.

This has been brought up before , Baseball players hitting and reacting to 100+ mile per hour thrown baseballs doesnt mean they are reacting and moving at 100 miles per hour.
Its all anticipated and calculated reactions, Just like Ozy feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
It won't help a human one bit. A human cannot perceive the flight of a bullet.
Even if the human knows the exact moment that the bullet will be fired and the exact trajectory then they still will be helplessly frozen in time when the bullet enters the air AND they won't be able to follow it (or even see it) during the entire flight.

Therefore Ozy had to have superhuman perception and hand speed to achieve the feat.

So h1, what about the assassin? Ozy was clearly shown aim-dodging in that scene and using people as shields. Gonna ignore that?

Originally posted by KingD19
So h1, what about the assassin? Ozy was clearly shown aim-dodging in that scene and using people as shields. Gonna ignore that?

Pretty much as it doesn't have any bearing on the latter feat.

1. Characters reserve the right to perform better in later situations.
2. It's possible that Ozy was still seeing things in slow motion (including the bullets). Which supports the latter feat.
3. Aim dodging does not prove that someone does not have the ability to time the bullet (perceive it in the air and react fast enough to block, dodge, or catch it).

Originally posted by h1a8
It won't help a human one bit. A human cannot perceive the flight of a bullet.
Even if the human knows the exact moment that the bullet will be fired and the exact trajectory then they still will be helplessly frozen in time when the bullet enters the air AND they won't be able to follow it (or even see it) during the entire flight.

Therefore Ozy had to have superhuman perception and hand speed to achieve the feat.

So answer something you have never answered before and have avoided....

So if i give you the benefit of the doubt and say Ozy did move in super speed bullet time. He was floored afterwards. As seen on screen. You can make up stories as to why this was but as far as we know (based on screen feats) Oxy was floored out-winded after said feat.

So if Ozy blocks 1 punch in bullet speed he would be out of energy on the ground after. As seen on screen.
There is no feat of OZY performing in these speeds in a fight or him being fine standing up after a speed feat.

So ill except that OZY has these super human bullet time reaction speeds when you accept that he would be floored afterwards. Sounds dumb but that is what is shown on screen.

There are real world humans who can catch arrows in mid flight. Arrows can travel as fast as 300 ft/s in modern compound bows, but let's say they travel at around 200 ft/s which is a high end traditional bow.

That doesn't mean that human beings can maintain moving at 200 ft/s during combat.

Considering that Ozy has above human stats, catching a bullet from an old handgun that travels what, 600 - 800 ft/s?, isn't really that far fetched. One thing for certain though, it doesn't mean that he's some kind of speedster or bullet timer.

One thing to note that differentiates arrows and bullets from punches and kicks is that arrows and bullets can only travel in straight trajectories and, especially in close distance, only travel the direction they're pointed at. Punches and kicks can come from all different angles and not necessarily straight lines.

Originally posted by h1a8
So you refuse to answer the question. Why do you troll so much?

You made the claim, that means the burden is on you. that is how debates work.

You attempting to shift the burden to me in an effort to avoid backing up your claim is the real trolling and you know it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
There are real world humans who can catch arrows in mid flight. Arrows can travel as fast as 300 ft/s in modern compound bows, but let's say they travel at around 200 ft/s which is a high end traditional bow.

That doesn't mean that human beings can maintain moving at 200 ft/s during combat.

Considering that Ozy has above human stats, catching a bullet from an old handgun that travels what, 600 - 800 ft/s?, isn't really that far fetched. One thing for certain though, it doesn't mean that he's some kind of speedster or bullet timer.

One thing to note that differentiates arrows and bullets from punches and kicks is that arrows and bullets can only travel in straight trajectories and, especially in close distance, only travel the direction they're pointed at. Punches and kicks can come from all different angles and not necessarily straight lines.

Ozy caught the bullet from between 7-12ft away. The bullet was traveling at about 1000ft/s. So about 1/4 less distance and 9 times faster projectile and Ozymandias is at minimum 36 times faster than some of the quickest humans.

Lastly, the problem isn't speed. It's perception. A human is literally frozen in time in comparison to a bullet. If Ozy can perceive the movement of a bullet then a human would appear frozen in time to him.

Originally posted by Inhuman
So answer something you have never answered before and have avoided....

So if i give you the benefit of the doubt and say Ozy did move in super speed bullet time. He was floored afterwards. As seen on screen. You can make up stories as to why this was but as far as we know (based on screen feats) Oxy was floored out-winded after said feat.

So if Ozy blocks 1 punch in bullet speed he would be out of energy on the ground after. As seen on screen.
There is no feat of OZY performing in these speeds in a fight or him being fine standing up after a speed feat.

So ill except that OZY has these super human bullet time reaction speeds when you accept that he would be floored afterwards. Sounds dumb but that is what is shown on screen.

The problem is that he won't be floored from just the perception. Since a punch moves many times slower then he can move just fast enough to block, evade, or parry the punch while keeping his perceptions in tact. He doesn't need to move the speed of the bullet (unless he punches and kills them in one blow).

Originally posted by h1a8
No real world human can catch a 200ft/s arrow from closer than 60ft. The arrows that the humans catch move between 70-100ft/s from a distance between 40-80 ft.

Ozy caught the bullet from between 7-12ft away. The bullet was traveling at about 1000ft/s. So about 1/4 less distance and 9 times faster projectile and Ozymandias is at minimum 36 times faster than some of the quickest humans.
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Look at you inventing numbers about stuff you know nothing about. Even a 20 pound bow which is usually considered a beginner's bow can generally chuck arrows at around 130 fps. Search for arrow catching vids on youtube and you'll see a lot of them doing so at around 20 feet distance.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Look at you inventing numbers about stuff you know nothing about. Even a 20 pound bow which is usually considered a beginner's bow can generally chuck arrows at around 130 fps. Search for arrow catching vids on youtube and you'll see a lot of them doing so at around 20 feet distance.

Yup. The one guy (Lars Andersen), who himself is a particularly skilled archer, can jump in the air, catch an arrow mid flight, and then fire that same arrow from his own bow, before he even hits the ground. The guy can even shoot other people's arrows out of the air.

Yet I would not bet on that same guy being able dance around a professional UFC fighter for 5 rounds.

1,000fps? Bullshit. The high end average of a revolver muzzle velocity is 725fps.

The bullets Bucky blocked multiple times were over 1,000fps as they were fully automatic rifle shots. Not a single shot from a 50's era revolver.

Also he's an aim-dodger. He moves just before the assassin fires each time so he can use another person as a bullet sponge until the guy runs out of ammo and he gets close enough to hit him.

Well, the speed depends on the ammo. .38 special ammo is around 1000 fps, but .38/200 is much slower, at around 685 fps. But the guns Bucky blocked bullets from during the apartment scene from CW are Heckler & Koch MP5A2s, which have a muzzle velocity of 1312 fps.

Originally posted by KingD19
1,000fps? Bullshit. The high end average of a revolver muzzle velocity is 725fps.

The bullets Bucky blocked multiple times were over 1,000fps as they were fully automatic rifle shots. Not a single shot from a 50's era revolver.

Also he's an aim-dodger. He moves just before the assassin fires each time so he can use another person as a bullet sponge until the guy runs out of ammo and he gets close enough to hit him.

Holding one's arm up before the striking bullet fires is a feat any human could do (even a child). The speed of the bullet is irrelevant.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Look at you inventing numbers about stuff you know nothing about. Even a 20 pound bow which is usually considered a beginner's bow can generally chuck arrows at around 130 fps. Search for arrow catching vids on youtube and you'll see a lot of them doing so at around 20 feet distance.

It's for show. They shoot those arrows at incredibly low speeds.

Originally posted by h1a8

It's for show. They shoot those arrows at incredibly low speeds.

Look dude, I actually do archery. Even the weakest bows normally shoot arrows over 100 fps.

If your arrow is flying too slow it won't fly straight in a relatively flat line, it will just drop. To cover 20 feet with a very slow arrow you'll need to aim it upwards so that it travels in an arc.

When you watch those arrow catching vids, you'll notice that there's very little arc in the arrow trajectory, they fly mostly straight. Which means that those arrows are still traveling with decent speed, at the very least above 100 fps. I'd guess at around 130-140 fps.

So your numbers are clearly exaggerated lowballing.

The bullet in question was not a "slo-mo" bullet, but was just shown in slow motion for dramatic effect.

Ozymandias is the level of bad ass where he can physically catch a bullet.

We aren't claiming it was a slow-mo bullet, that is all h1. we are just pointing out that the scene wasn't shot in slow-mo.

Tbh Winter Soldier blocking bullets weirdly aimed at his arm isn't that impressive either.

Bucky very clearly raises his arm here after we see the muzzle flash starting, to block bullets aimed at his head.

https://imgur.com/C6b4hyZ

But I expect that because it's not shot in slowmo, H1 will try to find a reason to dismiss it.

Edit: Another one where Bucky ducks his arm out to block a shot just as it impacts.

http://postimg.org/image/mxvhgaxez/

The sheer fact that H1 claims a child could replicate what Bucky does in those 2 shots shows his level of objectivity here.

Also, on the topic of arrow catches, T'Challa casually catches and dodges multiple arrows from Hawkeye, during the airport fight in CW. If H1 is going to insist with his RL arrow-catch lowballing narrative (although Froth has thoroughly wrecked it already), it just makes T'Challa's speed and reflexes all the more impressive.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Look dude, I actually do archery. Even the weakest bows normally shoot arrows over 100 fps.

If your arrow is flying too slow it won't fly straight in a relatively flat line, it will just drop. To cover 20 feet with a very slow arrow you'll need to aim it upwards so that it travels in an arc.

When you watch those arrow catching vids, you'll notice that there's very little arc in the arrow trajectory, they fly mostly straight. Which means that those arrows are still traveling with decent speed, at the very least above 100 fps. I'd guess at around 130-140 fps.

So your numbers are clearly exaggerated lowballing.

You would think a guy who claims to be a teacher and physics expert would already be aware of something like this.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
You would think a guy who claims to be a teacher and physics expert would already be aware of something like this.

He also claims to be a martial arts expert yet thinks it's very easy to punch a full grown man in the chest strong enough to launch him across the floor.