Ozymandias vs. Black Panther

Originally posted by Silent Master
Turning around slowly doesn't mean it was in slow-mo. you can clearly see things other than Ozy moving at normal speed. thus the scene was not shot in slow-mo.

Remember the original argument was that the scene was shown in slow motion. Because to catch a real bullet the catch would appear faster. You are inserting SHOT as in the camera was slowed down. It's impossible for an actor to actually move as fast as a bullet. That means that he has to ACT in slow motion as to show the audience what he is actually doing. Again the scene was shown in slow motion as the mod stated.

But how is this relevant to disproving Ozy used superhuman speed and perception?

Originally posted by h1a8
Remember the original argument was that the scene was shown in slow motion. Because to catch a real bullet the catch would appear faster. You are inserting SHOT as in the camera was slowed down. It's impossible for an actor to actually move as fast as a bullet. That means that he has to ACT in slow motion as to show the audience what he is actually doing. Again the scene was shown in slow motion as the mod stated.

But how is this relevant to disproving Ozy used superhuman speed and perception?

Only the scene wasn't shown in any real slow-mo as other people and objects were in the same scene and they were moving at normal speed.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Still OZY never used this speed in a fight, and was tagged by an old out of shape guy like Comedian.

Don't see how people rely on that bullet feat so much like it's the end all feat to determine the winner.

Someone able to punch through solid marble is by no means out of shape.

Also, ones skill and reflexes can improve latter in a film.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Only the scene wasn't shown in any real slow-mo as other people and objects were in the same scene and they were moving at normal speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't answer the question.

The question is whether or not the scene was actually shot in slow-mo. the answer is "No" and we know this because there are other people and objects in the scene that are moving at normal speed.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The question is whether or not the scene was actually shot in slow-mo. the answer is "No" and we know this because there are other people and objects in the scene that are moving at normal speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
What does that have to do with the thread? This is Ozy vs BP.
My argument is that Ozy bullet catch proves he has the hand speed and perception to see BP in very slow motion. And therefore he wins fairly easily.

You claimed that scene was shot in slow-mo, I proved you were lying.

Originally posted by FrothByte
In short, you're saying Ozy's kick that sent Rosch flying is not indicative of super strength from Ozy because Ozy's feats =/= hits on humans?

That logic only counts if it is someone H1 is arguing against.

In this very thread, his response to Ozy needing to aim-dodge and getting tackled by Comedian, "Characters can improve in speed and reflexes through the film".

We see Bucky's metal arm smash through concrete and steel, and like a minute later get tanked by T'Challa. H1's resppnse, "Tony survived his human arm, hurrdurr the metal arm hit doesn't count."

His blatant bias is obvious to literally everyone (the guy has a reputation for this crap across the board at this point), but we all know that it won't stop him from carrying on with his shtick.

Seriously. Come on, Imp. Read through this thread(and 99% of the other ones where h1a8 is involved) and see if it's not pure bullshit.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't have to. The movie already gave its physics to how humans can tank superhuman attacks. In other words, humans have no problem tanking superhuman attacks in the movie. Or Bucky isn't superhuman in regular limbs. Then there is no inconsistency and T'Challa has his precious durability feat.

lol dude, this has to be the absolute worst argument I have ever seen you make, and that is saying something.

Not all superhuman hits are the same. Being able to take one does not mean being able to take another. Until someone else actually tanks the metal arm which, by feats, is at least twice as strong Cap's arms (the metal arm alone was enough to smash Steve through elevator doors, despite Steve pushing back with both arms and leaning into it), so also at least twice as strong as Bucky's other arm, your BS continues to mean nothing.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
lol dude, this has to be the absolute worst argument I have ever seen you make, and that is saying something.

Not all superhuman hits are the same. Being able to take one does not mean being able to take another. Until someone else actually tanks the metal arm which, by feats, is at least twice as strong Cap's arms (the metal arm alone was enough to smash Steve through elevator doors, despite Steve pushing back with both arms and leaning into it), so also at least twice as strong as Bucky's other arm, your BS continues to mean nothing.

Not to mention he's used surviving Ozy's attacks as proof of people's durability before.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not to mention he's used surviving Ozy's attacks as proof of people's durability before.

Also, notice how he blatantly and dishonestly uses Tony being floored, injured and out of the fight by two hits from Bucky to claim the movie showed "humans" (plural) being able to "tank" superhuman attacks. He is straight-up just lying at this point.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Also, notice how he blatantly and dishonestly uses Tony being floored, injured and out of the fight by two hits from Bucky to claim the movie showed "humans" (plural) being able to "tank" superhuman attacks. He is straight-up just lying at this point.

Plus, even if Marvel did show certain humans surviving superhuman level hits, all that would prove is that those humans have great durability. Not that sed superhuman character was weak.

Or that said superhuman was holding back.

Thing is Tony didn't "tank" shit. The first blow clearly rattled him and the next one put him down for the count. So, anyone who uses that showing to try and claim humans were "tanking" superhuman hits in the film is a liar.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Also, notice how he blatantly and dishonestly uses Tony being floored, injured and out of the fight by two hits from Bucky to claim the movie showed "humans" (plural) being able to "tank" superhuman attacks. He is straight-up just lying at this point.

I'm referring to the elbow strike. So either Bucky is normal human in strength or the T'Challa strike is questionable. Choose.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Thing is Tony didn't "tank" shit. The first blow clearly rattled him and the next one put him down for the count. So, anyone who uses that showing to try and claim humans were "tanking" superhuman hits in the film is a liar.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Plus, even if Marvel did show certain humans surviving superhuman level hits, all that would prove is that those humans have great durability. Not that sed superhuman character was weak.

So no feats of humans tanking hits from the metal arm that is at least twice as strong as Bucky's other one? Gotcha. Concession accepted.

Originally posted by h1a8
A full superhuman elbow to the face to a human that causes no ko or broken bones implies that hits on human stars are tankable due to plot. So the T'Challa feat is questionable. Unless we accept that Bucky is normal in strength. Then the T'Challa feat is acceptable.

False, ordinary humans (no special training or conditioning) have real human level durability.

Full superhuman elbow? That was a short elbow jab. And using your logic why didn't Ozy's punches on his opponents break their bones with one hit?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Full superhuman elbow? That was a short elbow jab. And using your logic why didn't Ozy's punches on his opponents break their bones with one hit?

That’s why it isnt a viable way to judge durability. Strength is judge by breaking things or sending things flying.