Ozymandias vs. Black Panther

Originally posted by FrothByte
He also claims to be a martial arts expert yet thinks it's very easy to punch a full grown man in the chest strong enough to launch him across the floor.

I couldn't even be bothered to continue indulging that particular nonsense. Because beyond that, just the sheer fact that he would try to use Tony not dying from a human arm hit to try and dismiss T'Challa tanking a metal arm hit (which, during the same escape scene, punched a chunk of concrete out of a wall and left a huge dent in elevator doors) was just cringe-worthy. The level that he will go to in an attempt to lowball or dismiss feats he doesn't like is just getting stupid at this point. Pretty much the only reason I still bother to engage him is for lulz, to see the lengths he will go to in these discussions.

Originally posted by Silent Master
We aren't claiming it was a slow-mo bullet, that is all h1. we are just pointing out that the scene wasn't shot in slow-mo.

The mod just stated it was shown in slow motion (not actual speed).

Originally posted by Impediment
The bullet in question was not a "slo-mo" bullet, but was just shown in slow motion for dramatic effect.

Ozymandias is the level of bad ass where he can physically catch a bullet.

Here is the original argument.

Originally posted by h1a8
It was in slow motion. Otherwise the bullet was slow. We know that isn't true.

Originally posted by Silent Master
There was no indication that it was in slow motion.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I couldn't even be bothered to continue indulging that particular nonsense. Because beyond that, just the sheer fact that he would try to use Tony not dying from a human arm hit to try and dismiss T'Challa tanking a metal arm hit (which, during the same escape scene, punched a chunk of concrete out of a wall and left a huge dent in elevator doors) was just cringe-worthy. The level that he will go to in an attempt to lowball or dismiss feats he doesn't like is just getting stupid at this point. Pretty much the only reason I still bother to engage him is for lulz, to see the lengths he will go to in these discussions.

You can't pick and choose. If one scene is inconsistent towards a particular physic then another scene can be too. If a character strikes a steel door and crushes it then hits a human and doesn't ko or damage them then we have to take any hits on humans with a grain of salt.

Bottomline: showings in fiction fluctuate in power and quantity due to physics inconsistency. Therefore it isn't sound to equate one scene with another (bucky's feats =/= hits on humans).

Originally posted by h1a8
You can't pick and choose. If one scene is inconsistent towards a particular physic then another scene can be too. If a character strikes a steel door and crushes it then hits a human and doesn't ko or damage them then we have to take any hits on humans with a grain of salt.

Bottomline: showings in fiction fluctuate in power and quantity due to physics inconsistency. Therefore it isn't sound to equate one scene with another (bucky's feats =/= hits on humans).

Wait a minute. Weren't you the one who said "characters reserve the right to perform better or worse during different parts of the movie"? That was the bullshit excuse you used to say Ozy wasn't an aim-dodger just because he aim-dodged through an entire scene. Then caught a bullet. So if a character has to use human shields and aim-dodging to stop a gunman. Then we have to take a bullet catch with a grain of salt. 🙄

Originally posted by h1a8
You can't pick and choose. If one scene is inconsistent towards a particular physic then another scene can be too. If a character strikes a steel door and crushes it then hits a human and doesn't ko or damage them then we have to take any hits on humans with a grain of salt.

Bottomline: showings in fiction fluctuate in power and quantity due to physics inconsistency. Therefore it isn't sound to equate one scene with another (bucky's feats =/= hits on humans).

Then post a scene where a regular human tanks a hit from his metal arm (the one T'Challa did) without being injured. Because Tony being floored by a weaker attack from a weaker limb is not evidence. And unless you can, your opinion means nothing.

Originally posted by KingD19
Wait a minute. Weren't you the one who said "characters reserve the right to perform better or worse during different parts of the movie"? That was the bullshit excuse you used to say Ozy wasn't an aim-dodger just because he aim-dodged through an entire scene. Then caught a bullet. So if a character has to use human shields and aim-dodging to stop a gunman. Then we have to take a bullet catch with a grain of salt. 🙄

Don't forget about when old-ass Comedian managed to tackle Ozy into a wall during their fight. Guess Ozy's world in slowmo perception H1 claims he has misfired there.

I also find it funny how H1 is claiming you can't equate one metal arm feat with another, yet he is trying to equate a feat from a completely separate limb to it.

Every German soldier in that escape scene went flying, hit the floor, and didn't get back up.

He's also saying Ozy aim dodging in one scene doesn't matter latter during the bullet catch.

Originally posted by h1a8
You can't pick and choose. If one scene is inconsistent towards a particular physic then another scene can be too. If a character strikes a steel door and crushes it then hits a human and doesn't ko or damage them then we have to take any hits on humans with a grain of salt.

Bottomline: showings in fiction fluctuate in power and quantity due to physics inconsistency. Therefore it isn't sound to equate one scene with another (bucky's feats =/= hits on humans).

In short, you're saying Ozy's kick that sent Rosch flying is not indicative of super strength from Ozy because Ozy's feats =/= hits on humans?

Originally posted by h1a8
The mod just stated it was shown in slow motion (not actual speed).

The scene is clearly not shown in slow-mo.

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Originally posted by KingD19
Wait a minute. Weren't you the one who said "characters reserve the right to perform better or worse during different parts of the movie"? That was the bullshit excuse you used to say Ozy wasn't an aim-dodger just because he aim-dodged through an entire scene. Then caught a bullet. So if a character has to use human shields and aim-dodging to stop a gunman. Then we have to take a bullet catch with a grain of salt. 🙄

I listed at least 3 things. Each thing can stand on its own. Picking apart one of them does not defeat the argument.

Originally posted by FrothByte
In short, you're saying Ozy's kick that sent Rosch flying is not indicative of super strength from Ozy because Ozy's feats =/= hits on humans?

Originally posted by KingD19
Every German soldier in that escape scene went flying, hit the floor, and didn't get back up.

He's also saying Ozy aim dodging in one scene doesn't matter latter during the bullet catch.

Aim dodging does not prove one can not bullet time. Think about it. If you were a bullet timer would you purposely wait for the guns to fire or would you make a move before the fire?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I also find it funny how H1 is claiming you can't equate one metal arm feat with another, yet he is trying to equate a feat from a completely separate limb to it.

You can't equate a feat with another showing. You can equate a feat with performance in a forum fight.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Then post a scene where a regular human tanks a hit from his [B]metal arm (the one T'Challa did) without being injured. Because Tony being floored by a weaker attack from a weaker limb is not evidence. And unless you can, your opinion means nothing. [/B]

Originally posted by Silent Master
The scene is clearly not shown in slow-mo.

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Originally posted by h1a8
We clearly see Ozy catching and turning around in slow motion. Even the mod said this. Do you want to argue with the mod?

Turning around slowly doesn't mean it was in slow-mo. you can clearly see things other than Ozy moving at normal speed. thus the scene was not shot in slow-mo.

Yeah, that scene was clearly so-mo, guys.

The catch & turn was, at least.

Still OZY never used this speed in a fight, and was tagged by an old out of shape guy like Comedian.

Don't see how people rely on that bullet feat so much like it's the end all feat to determine the winner.

Originally posted by Impediment
Yeah, that scene was clearly so-mo, guys.

The catch & turn was, at least.

No it wasn't. you clearly see SS's head move at normal speed just before she fires and so does the cylinder of the revolver. Ozy also spun around and fell at normal speed.

Edit: You also see SS start lowering her arm while Ozy is mid-spin. again, at normal speed.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Still OZY never used this speed in a fight, and was tagged by an old out of shape guy like Comedian.

Don't see how people rely on that bullet feat so much like it's the end all feat to determine the winner.

I don't see why h1 feels the need to lie so much about the feat itself. The scene clearly shows SS and the gun moving at normal speed before, during and after the shot is fired.

That scene wasn't 100% slow motion, but was definitely slowed down from full speed.

Originally posted by Impediment
That scene wasn't 100% slow motion, but was definitely slowed down from full speed.

Seeing as SS and the gun are shown moving at what appears to be normal speed. it couldn't have been slowed down very much. maybe 10% and that is being extremely generous.