Ozymandias vs. Black Panther

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
So no feats of humans tanking hits from the metal arm that is at least twice as strong as Bucky's other one? Gotcha. Concession accepted.

The movies physics towards humans has been established. So any other superhuman strike against a human can apply to those same physics. Movies don’t separate cases (like you are trying to do).

Originally posted by h1a8
False, ordinary humans (no special training or conditioning) have real human level durability.

Then explain John McClane.

@ H1

Your opinion on how movies operate (because not all writers, directors etc. operate the same, or have the same level of consistency, so making a blanket statement like the one you did is retarded) is irrelevant.

Tony did not tank a metal arm hit. He didn't even tank the human elbow. He was visibly rocked from the impact. T'Challa completely tanked a direct hit to the chest from Bucky's metal arm, as well as numerous human arm strikes. We know the metal arm is much stronger than his or Cap's (or T'Challa's) normal arms. So, your ridiculous mental gymnastics and cherry picking means nothing.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Then explain John McClane.

I find it hilarious how he has the nerve to accuse others of picking and choosing showings, when they are using actual feats by the metal arm, whereas he is ignoring those feats in favour of using a feat from a weaker limb. He is such an enormous hypocrite it'd be staggering if it wasn't expected at this point.

^^ And to add to John McClane, most of the F&F crew (who are mostly just a bunch of thugs and street racers, when you come right down to it, with the exception of Hobbs and Shaw) constantly survive things that would easily kill RL humans.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
@ H1

Your [B]opinion on how movies operate (because not all writers, directors etc. operate the same, or have the same level of consistency, so making a blanket statement like the one you did is retarded) is irrelevant.

Tony did not tank a metal arm hit. He didn't even tank the human elbow. He was visibly rocked from the impact. T'Challa completely tanked a direct hit to the chest from Bucky's metal arm, as well as numerous human arm strikes. We know the metal arm is much stronger than his or Cap's (or T'Challa's) normal arms. So, your ridiculous mental gymnastics and cherry picking means nothing. [/B]

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I find it hilarious how he has the nerve to accuse others of picking and choosing showings, when they are using actual feats by the metal arm, whereas he is ignoring those feats in favour of using a feat from a weaker limb. He is such an enormous hypocrite it'd be staggering if it wasn't expected at this point.

It's all about the physics used by a movie. Once established, it effects can be in any scene.

Lol h1 comes up with a new bullshit excuse every single thread. His sheer dedication to f*ckery and bold face lying is simply staggering. And despite claiming all these as facts, he will never BZ anyone who calls him out on it because he knows he's pulling it out of his ass.

Originally posted by h1a8
Someone of supposedly superhuman strength should BREAK the face of an ordinary human with an elbow strike, and ko them. Neither happened. So that means the movie is using different physics for human stars or Bucky isn't really superhumanly strong.

It's all about the physics used by a movie. Once established, it effects can be in any scene.

So it means Ozy is not superhumanly strong because he didn't so much as break the nose of his opponents after punching them multiple times in the face.

And there's still the fact that no mere human was ever able to tank a direct hit from Bucky's metal arm.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So it means Ozy is not superhumanly strong because he didn't so much as break the nose of his opponents after punching them multiple times in the face.

And there's still the fact that no mere human was ever able to tank a direct hit from Bucky's metal arm.

No, Ozy sent them flying far away and has many of feats of superhuman strength. We just can't use the feat to give the exact durability to his human opponents. Otherwise, Cap nor Bucky would be able to damage them much with a hit.

Tony didn't get sent flying from the elbow. Therefore the elbow was human powered or we have established a movie physic towards human stars.

Tony did get sent flying from the punch though. So the punch was strong but durability can be gauged accurately.

Originally posted by h1a8
No, Ozy sent them flying far away and has many of feats of superhuman strength. We just can't use the feat to give the exact durability to his human opponents. Otherwise, Cap nor Bucky would be able to damage them much with a hit.

Tony didn't get sent flying from the elbow. Therefore the elbow was human powered or we have established a movie physic towards human stars.

Tony did get sent flying from the punch though. So the punch was strong but durability can be gauged accurately.

Except Ozy threw quite a number of punches that didn't throw his opponents back. All it did was snap their heads back like Bucky's elbow did. So he must not have had superhuman strength.

After all, Bucky had numerous showings of superhuman strength but you're using a single elbow hit to contest his superstrength, and Ozy had made multiple hits that didn't break his opponent's bones or throw them around.

So unless you're admitting to using blatant double standards then you must agree that Ozy isn't super strong, at least if we use your logic.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Except Ozy threw quite a number of punches that didn't throw his opponents back. All it did was snap their heads back like Bucky's elbow did. So he must not have had superhuman strength.

After all, Bucky had numerous showings of superhuman strength but you're using a single elbow hit to contest his superstrength, and Ozy had made multiple hits that didn't break his opponent's bones or throw them around.

So unless you're admitting to using blatant double standards then you must agree that Ozy isn't super strong, at least if we use your logic.

I’m giving an “or” argument. You are creating a strawman.

Originally posted by h1a8
Someone of supposedly superhuman strength should BREAK the face of an ordinary human with an elbow strike, and ko them. Neither happened. So that means the movie is using different physics for human stars or Bucky isn't really superhumanly strong.

It's all about the physics used by a movie. Once established, it effects can be in any scene.

Ozy didn't break any bones with his hits, thus he doesn't have superstrength.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Ozy didn't break any bones with his hits, thus he doesn't have superstrength.

You must break bones or see different people flying.

Originally posted by h1a8
You must break bones or see different people flying.

WS has sent different people flying, so you admit that he has superstrength?

Originally posted by Silent Master
WS has sent different people flying, so you admit that he has superstrength?

I gave an "or" statement.

Originally posted by h1a8
I gave an "or" statement.

Yes; breaking bones or send people flying. WS has sent people flying; thus according to your standard, he has superstrength.

Thank you.

And before H1 says "but he didn't break Tony's face with that elbow" then it's like Ozy not breaking people's faces with his numerous hits.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And before H1 says "but he didn't break Tony's face with that elbow" then it's like Ozy not breaking people's faces with his numerous hits.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes; breaking bones or send people flying. WS has sent people flying; thus according to your standard, he has superstrength.

Thank you.

No. The movie protects human stars from superhuman hits or Bucky has no superhuman strength. This is the "or" argument.

Originally posted by h1a8
No. The movie protects human stars from superhuman hits or Bucky has no superhuman strength. This is the "or" argument.

Did Watchmen protect it's human stars from superhuman hits or did Ozy just not have superstrength?

Originally posted by h1a8
No. The movie protects human stars from superhuman hits or Bucky has no superhuman strength. This is the "or" argument.

In other words, you only want to apply this rule to Bucky but not on Ozy.