The Ultimate Darth Plagueis Essay

Originally posted by Haschwalth
He screwed with a star, and the guy is fodder, compared to the likes of Exar Kun.

Star's were only flickering in nearby star systems, from plageuis feat, so it's not as big as you claim it to be. Did the Jedi Order feel the full affect from it?

There is nothing relating him to Exar Kun.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
There is nothing relating him to Exar Kun.

Valk's death caused a tidal wave that threatened to knock out Satele and was felt by Darth Marr. It's also referenced by Darth Hexid after KOTET.

The feat is legit.

Where do you hear about it threatening Shan?

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
There is nothing relating him to Exar Kun.

He and his fellow students were being amped beyond any power they could imagine and Kun's spirit was going to choke them out.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Where do you hear about it threatening Shan?

Ok, then its definitely legit. I expect an extensive grovelling apology from Tempest to AP and myself.

"Shaking the stars themselves(...)" is just a metaphor. You see the stars in the sky whenever you watch up at night, no?

It meant that the dark side energy was released into the planet's atmosphere.

Originally posted by AncientPower
He and his fellow students were being amped beyond any power they could imagine and Kun's spirit was going to choke them out.

Yeah, when Brakiss was vastly pre-prime. Essentially just a few scant weeks into his training, to be more precise.

Which is irrelevant given the amp and the dozen others he's sharing power with.

First of all, no, roflmfao. He has just been training for a few short weeks under Luke there. In YJK, he has 12 solid years to grow from there, becoming a fully trained force user, not to mention, half a decade in which he is a darksider and should obviously become much more powerful immediately( leaving aside the fact that he stayed that way till the end). I'd imagine he would be tens of thousands of times, or even more powerful in YJK than he was as a pathetic little trainee of a few weeks( his feat outright confirms that). Even as a trainee, his power would be greater than the average power of the group, and at least comparable to anyone there, save for Streen. So, the net amp would just increase the power of Brakiss by less than an order of magnitude. Which is still utter fodder compared to what he would become later.

And secondly, you are a liar( no surprise).

As his eyes adjusted, Streen saw that all twelve of the Jedi candidates were limned with the faintest sheen of an iridescent blue glow that grew brighter as the new Jedi converged around Exar Kun.

"Even joined together, you are too weak to fight me!" the shadowy man said.

Streen felt his throat constrict, his windpipe close. He choked, unable to breathe. The black silhouette turned, staring at those who resisted him. The Jedi trainees grasped their throats, straining to breathe, their faces darkening with the effort. Kun's shadow expanded, growing darker and more powerful. He towered over Streen. "Streen, take your lightsaber and finish these weaklings. Then I will allow you to live."

Streen heard the blood sing in his ears as his body strained for oxygen. The rushing sound reminded him of blowing wind, gale-force storms. Wind. Air. He grasped the wind with his Jedi powers, moving the air itself and making it flow into his lungs, past Kun's invisible stranglehold.

Cool, sweet oxygen filled him, and Streen exhaled and inhaled again. Reaching out with his power, he did the same for all the other Jedi students, nudging air into theirthe lungs-helping them breathe, helping them grow stronger.

"We are more powerful than you," Dorsk 81 said, gasping, in a tone that mixed challenge with amazement.

"How you must hate me," Exar Kun said. Desperation tinged the edges of his voice. "I can feel your anger."

Cilghal used the silken ambassadorial voice she had worked so hard to develop. "There is no anger," she said. "We don't hate you, Exar Kun. You are an object lesson for us. You have taught us much about what it is to be a true Jedi. By observing you we see that the dark side has little strength of its own. You have no power that we do not have. You merely used our own weaknesses against us."

"We have seen enough of you," Kam Solusar said grimly from the edge of the circle, "and it's time for you to be vanquished."

The Jedi trainees stepped closer together, cinching the circle around the trapped shadowy form. Streen held his lightsaber high, while across the circle Kirana Ti raised hers to a striking position. The nebulous glow around the new Jedi Knights grew brighter, a luminous fog that joined them in an unbroken ring, a solid band of light forged by the power of the Force within them.

Credit :Champions of the Force

They had only just even "began" to meld together. As clearly evidenced by the "faintest sheen of a blue glow".

As the meld expands and becomes more powerful, obviously they get more powerful together. More powerful than Kun, as is stated. There is absolutely nothing tying Kun to their power or the power of the meld when it is at its strongest except that Kun is obviously weaker.

What I find most hilarious is that Kun's vaunted force choke was defeated by effing Streen. Lmfao. So much for his power.

Eh, Trainee Brakiss shouldn't be > Kam tbh. I'm not all that impressed with his feat either tbh. It's good, but not that great, and even then most likely a outlier.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
I'd imagine he would be tens of thousands of times, or even more powerful in YJK than he was as a pathetic little trainee of a few weeks( his feat outright confirms that).

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Funny, I remember it being Exar Kun and Sidious that Luke looks back on, as the greatest DS threats he had, not Brakiss.

And yeah, I'm not sure I can take you seriously, ever again after that comment on tens of thousands of times.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
Funny, I remember it being Exar Kun and Sidious that Luke looks back on, as the greatest DS threats he had, not Brakiss.

And yeah, I'm not sure I can take you seriously, ever again after that comment on tens of thousands of times.

I said "average" power, not that he is more powerful than anyone there. There are 2 year old Jacen and Jaina too in the group.

The feat is pretty amazing. Brakiss was fodder to YJK Luke, but he was capable of challenging Luke as of NR, who is pretty tremendously powerful, so no, via holistic intent, it is not an outlier. That aside "outlier" isn't really an argument, unless he has struggled with lesser feats multiple times previously.

Lastly, that quote was before his affair with Brakiss in YJK, so there.

Originally posted by Nephthys
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I think the apt comparison to make would be a guy who has just started to learn the alphabet, vs a guy who is not only fully proficient in the English language( and has received a pretty huge boost in the middle by having access to one of the best English coaches in the world), but has also published a masterpiece.

You have to be idiotic to not realize that the guy in the second instance is nothing short of "infinitely" better than the guy in the first instance.

Dorsk 81 confirms they each felt more powerful than they could even comprehend, in Darksaber. All of them combined, amping each other in unison too. Brakiss states he had grown much more powerful, but enough to bridge the gap from an amp that massive? I'm not convinced.

Less than a year later they're already flattening AT-STs, throwing boulders at TIE Bombers and a whole ton of other stuff in Darksaber.

It took a fraction of the power they used to launch a fleet of Star Destroyers clear out of the Yavin system; like 'twigs in a storm' which caused massive internal damage and broke hyperdrives, to defeat Kun in the first place. Even a fraction of that power is insane.

Also, the meld is already there. What they do upon closing the circle is seal him inside a WoL. It still takes a perfectly attuned lightsaber that Kun built through Gantoris to actually destroy his spirit however. Prior to this encirclement he still nearly chokes them all out, but Streen uses Alter Environment to cheat their way out of the hold. They all struggle against his hold and fail just prior to that, kek.

But here's the truly hilarious part, this was a starved and weakened shade of Kun without Kyp, Gantoris' reserves or Streen to aid him. He's probably less than a small fraction of the power he held in life.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
I said "average" power, not that he is more powerful than anyone there. There are 2 year old Jacen and Jaina too in the group.

The feat is pretty amazing. Brakiss was fodder to YJK Luke, but he was capable of challenging Luke as of NR, who is pretty tremendously powerful, so no, via holistic intent, it is not an outlier. That aside "outlier" isn't really an argument, unless he has struggled with lesser feats multiple times previously.

Quote for him challenging Luke? I can only recall Brakiss musing that he could exhaust him.