1/18/2018 - #6A (Ranking SIX, Round ONE) - Most Powerful Tournament - VOTE!

Started by cs_zoltan24 pages

New DMB is some Kurk tier cringe, I don't think we needed another one.

I mean he hasn't talked about his Bane cosplay yet.

Alright, Nova took it home and convinced me: Mace wins.

Yep. Windu wins this round.

Valkorion will end up below Sha a gi at this rate

Personally, I'd like to see what arguments people have for Windu's defense against Force drain, should Valk choose to use it.

Presumably he doesn't have an inherent Force-based defence as an energy vampire drained him and I believe he wasn't able to defend against the Dark Reaper. So unless Anakin taught him Ulic's technique afterwards, he probably can't actively defend against it.

On the other hand, he does have Vaapad, which could reciprocate/reflect a pretty disparate range of powers both tangible and intangible. Drain's a considerably more arcane power than augmentation and Lightning, but not necessarily in a way that makes it exempt from Vaapad's properties. And since Mace's limit was RotS Palpatine, there's no way Valkorion is just overpowering his Vaapad or anything.

Drain's a direct siphon of one's life energy, not a Force attack. Vaapad isn't a one size fits all ace card.

Not that it matters, Valk's demonstrated multiple means of overwhelming Force users entirely.

More importantly, Mace's vaapad doesn't actually encompass stalemating Sidious. It's directly stated that Sheev's lightning was beyond his superconducting loop.

The novelization has the super conducting loop applying to power in general, there's no reason to think specific abilities are exempted from this.

Drain isn't dependent on power, unless you think Krayt = Luke & Abeloth.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Personally, I'd like to see what arguments people have for Windu's defense against Force drain, should Valk choose to use it.

Easy. Windu powers through it. Valk's drain is garbage. The devastation of Ziost was a ritual and when he possessed the populace, he couldn't even drain their life energy directly and instead had to kill them first to feed off of their death. The only times he's directly fed off of another being is through a preestablished ritualistic link with another Force user e.g. Revan.

Windu slices him up 👆

Ziost wasn't a ritual, as I've proven.

Using Vitiate's weakened spirit as a marker for Valkorion's full power is the most desperately shit argument I've seen all day.

Mace can't win this fight, he probably won't even get his lightsaber out.

Originally posted by AncientPower
is the most desperately shit argument I've seen all day.
It's. 2.30 in the afternoon...

Originally posted by AncientPower
Ziost wasn't a ritual, as I've proven.

Except those times when it was literally referred to as a ritual, right? 🙂

Originally posted by Azronger
Easy. Windu powers through it. Valk's drain is garbage. The devastation of Ziost was a ritual and when he possessed the populace, he couldn't even drain their life energy directly and instead had to kill them first to feed off of their death. The only times he's directly fed off of another being is through a preestablished ritualistic link with another Force user e.g. Revan.

Windu slices him up 👆

Mmm, and with Windu siphoning Valkorion's power, it's even less likely to be effective. mmm

This is a good point. 👆

Originally posted by AncientPower
Drain isn't dependent on power, unless you think Krayt = Luke & Abeloth.

The fact that drain can affect entities more powerful than the user doesn't mean that it isn't power-dependent, lmfao.

Yeah, it just means that it's difficult to defend against, and that Krayt is very strong.

I wonder how many more people will AP turn into Sheevites with their top tier Valkorion arguments.

Sinious has stated the primary reason he has Valkorion sub-Plagueis is because AP's arguments were so horrible he had to lower his standing 😂

AP really is our greatest asset.