Can Flash solo The Ultimates?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Superman and Diana aren't as slow or vulnerable physically as the members of the Ultimates.

Monica, and Adam are just as impressive. Besides who cares right? Flash would make them out to be either moving in slow motion, or not at all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman will phuck him up. He has a history of dealing with speedsters 👆

Are you arguing against your own logic now? If not, you should take it up with the writers. Batman is slower than Superman, or what are you trying to say here?

Originally posted by Stoic
Are you arguing against your own logic now? If not, you should take it up with the writers. Batman is slower than Superman, or what are you trying to say here?

Lol.

Do you not get when people are being sarcastic?

Now do you get why I was tearing my hair out in the other threads, lol.

Based on comics, Batman has many a showing of dealing with speedsters. Not once, twice, three times...but many times. If I were to use it seriously, I would get called out on it.

Flash could also deal with the JLA lineup you mentioned.

Put it this way. We had a BZ, where everyone in the forum was able to take a herald, high herald and below.

Speed was the paramount thing EVERYONE tried to deal with. As salty as Carver is, even HE didn't pick, say, Hulk, or Rulk, or Blue Marvel, or Spectrum, or anyone like that.

He specifically tried to pick the one guy he thought was faster than everyone else.

Shows a lot, imo.

lol at the idea of blue marvel and monica on superman level, stoic is smokin some serious shit

Originally posted by MrMind
lol at the idea of blue marvel and monica on superman level, stoic is smokin some serious shit

I even posted a scan of SUPERMAN being faster than thought.

Something that Monica (the fastest member of the Ultimates) is not.

And by logic, neither is BM.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.

Do you not get when people are being sarcastic?

Now do you get why I was tearing my hair out in the other threads, lol.

Based on comics, Batman has many a showing of dealing with speedsters. Not once, twice, three times...but many times. If I were to use it seriously, I would get called out on it.

Flash could also deal with the JLA lineup you mentioned.

Put it this way. We had a BZ, where everyone in the forum was able to take a herald, high herald and below.

Speed was the paramount thing EVERYONE tried to deal with. As salty as Carver is, even HE didn't pick, say, Hulk, or Rulk, or Blue Marvel, or Spectrum, or anyone like that.

He specifically tried to pick the one guy he thought was faster than everyone else.

Shows a lot, imo.

Common sense though. It's why I refused to acknowledge the comparison in the Thanos thread. He simply doesn't have super powers, and anything showing him doing something impossible should never be used to reflect on other characters that actually do have powers. The best that you can do in his case, when the impossible happens is call PIS, or try to make up an excuse for how well he did. Either way.

Originally posted by MrMind
lol at the idea of blue marvel and monica on superman level, stoic is smokin some serious shit

I wouldn't consider taking anything that you write seriously, because I have yet to see you be objective. You'd give the weakest DC character odds to beat the most powerful marvel character. Who could ever take you seriously?

Originally posted by Stoic

I wouldn't consider taking anything that you write seriously, because I have yet to see you be objective. You'd give the weakest DC character odds to beat the most powerful marvel character. Who could ever take you seriously?

I wouldn't consider taking anything that you write seriously, because I have yet to see you be objective. You'd give the weakest Marvel character odds to beat the most powerful DC character. Who could ever take you seriously?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I even posted a scan of SUPERMAN being faster than thought.

Something that Monica (the fastest member of the Ultimates) is not.

And by logic, neither is BM.

What would it matter if they were slower than Forum Flash? You seem upset DS. See things for what they are without attempting to make more out of something than it is. My first post on the matter stands. Go round and round with it if you want, but it won't change anything. He'd beat them as well.

Originally posted by MrMind
I wouldn't consider taking anything that you write seriously, because I have yet to see you be objective. You'd give the weakest Marvel character odds to beat the most powerful DC character. Who could ever take you seriously?

So you're Top Troll. Good to know. I give DC the benefit very often. You? Just stop before you end up on my ignore list.

Originally posted by Stoic
What would it matter if they were slower than Forum Flash? You seem upset DS. See things for what they are without attempting to make more out of something than it is. My first post on the matter stands. Go round and round with it if you want, but it won't change anything. He'd beat them as well.

Lol, nah, not upset.

I've gone pages and pages and pages with carver, h1, and bluewaterrider. Sometimes, all at once. It takes a lot.

Like I said, Flash would win. I think it, everyone else thinks it.

In every BZ tourney, speed is the first to get capped at a specific level. In the HH tourney, once I drafted Wally, lo and behold, Carver drafted Zoom. All the tactics drafted were to deal with speed.

It's just a thing that can't really be answered for, once you have a strong enough offence to take advantage of your speed...advantage.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, nah, not upset.

I've gone pages and pages and pages with carver, h1, and bluewaterrider. Sometimes, all at once. It takes a lot.

Like I said, Flash would win. I think it, everyone else thinks it.

In every BZ tourney, speed is the first to get capped at a specific level. In the HH tourney, once I drafted Wally, lo and behold, Carver drafted Zoom. All the tactics drafted were to deal with speed.

It's just a thing that can't really be answered for, once you have a strong enough offence to take advantage of your speed...advantage.

Yep, and he'd win with ease as well. Unless he somehow tripped and fell through a portal that America punched into existence. She'd be their only hope. Overall, no team can beat him at his highest levels. He'd win before they began to make a move against him.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yep, and he'd win with ease as well. Unless he somehow tripped and fell through a portal that America punched into existence. She'd be their only hope. Overall, no team can beat him at his highest levels. He'd win before they began to make a move against him.

BFR is turned off.

And it's nice that Chavez knows where to punch so that he falls into it, having tripped on...yeah ok we're getting into PIS now. You're writing a story where he has to trip into a conveniently placed star hole, lol.

At his highest levels he blew the AntiMonitor up.

Originally posted by Stoic
Monica, and Adam are just as impressive. Besides who cares right? Flash would make them out to be either moving in slow motion, or not at all.

I like Monica and Adam A LOT but they are NOWHERE near Superman and Diana's level.

If what you meant is that in a forum setting their powers can be extrapolated into being as formidable as Clark and Diana's then I would agree.

HOWEVER, given your comments over several threads these past few days you seem to be vehemently against that form of reasoning and argue more toward actual depictions.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
BFR is turned off.

And it's nice that Chavez knows where to punch so that he falls into it, having tripped on...yeah ok we're getting into PIS now. You're writing a story where he has to trip into a conveniently placed star hole, lol.

At his highest levels he blew the AntiMonitor up.

Nah man, that was me saying that it would be the only way for them to win. BFR being turned off was just a convenient means of saying that it is impossible for them to win. Mostly any team would lose TBH, unless they had a method of dealing with his speed.

Galactus for example, would have no problem with speed steal, as he can control localized time effects like he did to the Sphinx long ago.

Not trying to bring Galactus into this, just wanted to show that the Flash wouldn't be able to instantly defeat everything that wasn't capable of moving as fast, or faster than he can, if of course you were under that impression.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I like Monica and Adam A LOT but they are NOWHERE near Superman and Diana's level.

If what you meant is that in a forum setting their powers can be extrapolated into being as formidable as Clark and Diana's then I would agree.

HOWEVER, given your comments over several threads these past few days you seem to be vehemently against that form of reasoning and argue more toward actual depictions.

I argue towards actual depictions because neither side can be fully ignored. If a character has the tools to win, they will. Rock, Paper, Scissor effect. CIS, PIS, Power Set, and several other underlining facts have to be taken into consideration. Power seems to be the only thing argued at times. People also insist on using a character at their most powerful. But then a double standard was made up for the Hulk. Shit, Imagine people arguing WB Hulk in every Hulk thread like they do for Superman? "Oh, he's immune to this, and that won't work on him, and he would do this before that happened, and magic is of no concern to him, and there are ways around Kryptonite," and.... You see how shit can become at times?

My point? -Pr- pointed this out long ago. It was quickly ignored, but we should always go by average portrayals so that double standards like the one that I mentioned should never occur.

Originally posted by Stoic
I argue towards actual depictions because neither side can be fully ignored. If a character has the tools to win, they will. Rock, Paper, Scissor effect. CIS, PIS, Power Set, and several other underlining facts have to be taken into consideration. Power seems to be the only thing argued at times. People also insist on using a character at their most powerful. But then a double standard was made up for the Hulk. Shit, Imagine people arguing WB Hulk in every Hulk thread like the do for Superman. "Oh, he's immune to this, and that won't work on him, and he would do this before that happened, and magic is of no concern to him, and there are ways around Kryptonite, and.... You see how shit can become at times?

My point? -Pr- pointed this out long ago. It was quickly ignored, but we should always go be average portrayals so that double standards like the one that mentioned should never occur.

You may have had a point until..

"Pr"

DON'T EVER MENTION THAT LEPRECHAUN REPROBATE TO ME AGAIN!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.

But in all seriousness, people are, for the most part, misunderstanding your (simple) question.

Can he?

The answer is of course, yes. It is certainly feasible to do so. With his speed, he can make this entire thread one-on-one.

Morrison's Flash, after all, was the one capable of running through as many battle simulations as needed to find the perfect battle tactic:
https://s5.postimg.org/a9y771wev/image.jpg

Morrison's Flash was the one who did the IMP.

Was the one who could run so fast, he time-travelled and made time clones:
https://s5.postimg.org/c2ns9iudz/image.jpg

So if anything, he could multiply himself, and then the Ultimates have multiple Flashes to handle.

Of course, there's Monica.

But Monica is slower than thought:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/--U1DSF_wGYI/WOzhH8XZL2I/AAAAAAADJ4M/iIfFwJEi1WYvJw-nQN8TTo5hrCvpxEDBgCLcB/s1600/90_10.jpg

And when she's at her top speed (so slower than thought), America Chavez moves in slow motion compared to her:
http://i.imgur.com/0SWq6vN.png

And Flashes?
https://s5.postimg.org/5dzmch2l3/image.jpg

https://s5.postimg.org/iq6lqw9qv/image.jpg

I tried to stick to the parameters of the thread, and limited the showings to Morrison era Flash only.

I mean Hell, I'm reasonably sure that that there are plenty of characters who've been stated to move at the speed of thought, but we don't actually credit them with being FTL.

Originally posted by darthgoober
You can't really penalize Monica because one writer stupidly decided that the speed of thought is faster than the speed of light for the sake of the story... it's just blatantly untrue. That why we ignored a similar statement a while back from Grodd when he was fighting Flash.

I mean Hell, I'm reasonably sure that that there are plenty of characters who've been stated to move at the speed of thought, but we don't actually credit them with being FTL.

I recall that argument well. Glad you opened the can. He's still faster than she is though so it's not really relevant here, but good on you all the same.

Originally posted by Stoic
I recall that argument well. Glad you opened the can. He's still faster than she is though so it's not really relevant here, but good on you all the same.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh yeah no doubt, Flash is way faster than Monica. Monica typically functions at light speed or if she needs to do long distance space travel she turns into something like neutronos or tachyons. My whole point is simply that one erroneous instance doesn't suddenly make Monica slower than thought.

Agreed

Originally posted by MrMind
lol at the idea of blue marvel and monica on superman level, stoic is smokin some serious shit

Right?