Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not saying he can cut them off from the sf though--you're right, that wouldn't make any sense. but stealing kinetic energy isn't cutting them off from the speed force. there's no reason he couldn't speed steal all their speed--after all he has stolen the speed of surtur, and even an entire planet...
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Was he lending his speed to Superdouche and Manjobber as well? Just wondering.
Later on, he does,but not there.
Morrison's Flash, at least in the examples I posted, was faster than thought, as was Superman.
Later on, Superman needed Flash to help him be faster than light, to outrace a Zeta beam.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Sure, we agree. As long as it's because of his ability to absorb kinetic energy and not through speed-force specific shenanigans 👆
depends. his ability to control motions COMES from his control of the speed force, like ss's ability to transmute elements COMES from the pc. but you wouldn't say ss couldn't transmute a dc guy, right? if you agree with that, then yep, we are in agreement overall. if you don't you should get out of the cold. sneer
Originally posted by darthgoober
Except for all the characters(even street level guys) that have "moved at the speed of thought" as told by the omniscient narrator. When there's a contradiction of this nature in regards to the basic laws of physics/reality, personally I let the the real world serve as the tie breaker.
that doesn't make the scans that state thought>light invalid in anyway. it's simply a gray area not well defined by writers and not consistently shown. all the kicking and screaming in the world won't change the fact that yes, in comics, thought CAN and HAS been portrayed as>light. i honestly can't believe it's an issue at all. batman dodges lasers regularly, goes h2h with people like ww and somehow i'm supposed to be up in arms that xavier can send his thoughts 100s of light years in an instant? lol sorry, that isn't going to happen. this is simply one more comic world inconsistency that can't be resolved. add it to the list.
Originally posted by leonidas
that doesn't make the scans that state thought>light invalid in anyway. it's simply a gray area not well defined by writers and not consistently shown. all the kicking and screaming in the world won't change the fact that yes, in comics, thought CAN and HAS been portrayed as>light. i honestly can't believe it's an issue at all. batman dodges lasers regularly, goes h2h with people like ww and somehow i'm supposed to be up in arms that xavier can send his thoughts 100s of light years in an instant? lol sorry, that isn't going to happen. this is simply one more comic world inconsistency that can't be resolved. add it to the list.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Apparently so, under Morrison.Makes sense. Speed of thought isn't all that - I mean, I can't think faster than a light beam.
Waid has never shown any character explicitly FTL TBH. Even Flash went into speed force when he went lightspeed.
Flash v2 94 if you are curious.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh I absolutely agree that it CAN be portrayed as being faster than light, just that it shouldn't be assumed that the thoughts of a normal human are that way automatically. For instance I totally believe that the Flash can think faster than light(otherwise he'd always be running into stuff), but not Jimmy Olson. And there's a certain logic to say that powerful psi's are +light when they're working on the astral plane or in maybe even just inside someone's mind, but it makes no sense AT ALL to consider thought>light in general for the whole of the comic reality. Such a notion would effectively give EVERYONE in comics(aside from the specifically slow minded) FTL reflexes.
i'd have sort of thought that went without saying... you need to show proof that thought is faster, and it is something (because of the inconsistency) that needs to be proven on a case-by-case basis.
i also agree with hulkster--it's not an actual measure of neuronal speeds. it's defined more esoterically (which is what i was saying earlier) in comics and therefore is not subject to the same blanket laws as it is in the real world. also something that i can't believe needed to be reiterated given all the evidence.
I personally think we're looking at it the wrong way.
The speed of thought is essentially what others have called 'reflex speed'.
Assuming I could transmute things with a thought. You throw a ball at my face.
As soon as I think 'turn into a giant marshmallow', it happens. But I have to recognise it's a ball (or at least, that something is headed for my face) pluck the concept of a marshmallow (instead of turning it into an anvil) and then think it.
That's the speed of thought. Once I have thought it, there isn't a delay or time lag before the ball becomes a marshmallow (or at least, that hasn't been shown traditionally in comics).
Hence the various inconsistencies. It's due to differing reflex speeds.
Originally posted by leonidas
i'd have sort of thought that went without saying... you need to show proof that thought is faster, and it is something (because of the inconsistency) that needs to be proven on a case-by-case basis.i also agree with hulkster--it's not an actual measure of neuronal speeds. it's defined more esoterically (which is what i was saying earlier) in comics and therefore is not subject to the same blanket laws as it is in the real world. also something that i can't believe needed to be reiterated given all the evidence.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pfft.I used the thought scans as an easy way to just say hey, he's faster than her.