Darth Maul vs. Vitiate

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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HoT was literally a foot away from an insanely weakened Vitiate and no blitzing occurred. Still don't see Vitiate not defeating Maul in a single attack.

It's entirely possible that Maul is much faster on the draw than the HoT in fresh condition, as well, and he won't entertain Vitiate's monologue. Unless the HoT has any notable speed feats I'm missing.

Plus after they start "fighting" Vitiate has only moved forward a few paces from where he started, and has been cut open, so clearly starting the fight up close with a less powerful opponent didn't end well for him. I struggle to see how it will against Maul, given the aforementioned speed feat and the distance given here (which Maul can close in well under a second, easily).

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^ lmao look at his battle tactics against someone he's more powerful than but has a close-quarters handicap against - he walks towards him shooting lightning that clearly isn't working with no attempt to maintain distance or alter his tactics at all. And this is for defending himself during a ritual that he's been planning for 1000 years.

Originally posted by ILS
HoT had also just fought through an army of enemies on a dark side nexus which weakens him. Not to mention Vitiate was nexus boosted. You can prove who was worse off if you'd like to take that up.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Vitiate was just starved after a failed galaxy ritual, lol.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
look at his battle tactics against someone he's more powerful than but has a close-quarters handicap against

Originally posted by slayne
What makes you think he was more powerful than the HoT at that point, lmfao?

Is there any clarification either way as to who is more powerful?

Originally posted by ILS
All of the HoT's successes seem to come from his lightsaber, whereas the Emperor is able to push him back with the Force.

Is there any clarification either way as to who is more powerful?

When he didn't charge up his attack, the HoT just casually walked through his lightning with little to no apparent difficulty. And power relative to the attacker is directly correlated with ability to block attacks coming from that attacker, as we see with Vitiate and the strike team.

All in all, the HoT should be more powerful IMO.

@slayne
He didn't charge up his attack for a good few seconds, he just pushed the HoT away. https://youtu.be/vT6T1Lxph4k?t=6m21s

AotC Kenobi laughed off Dooku's lightning, but I fail to see how that proves he's more powerful than the Count. And no, you can certainly block someone's attack without being more powerful than them; see Kas'im blocking Bane's charged up telekinesis.

It's pretty unclear who is more powerful aside from the obvious roles of knight vs sorcerer that are on display, and while Vitiate is weakened, it's also noted by Scourge that he is quick to recover; and that is before you get a ship to the temple and fight through it.

Since we know Vitiate is ordinarily far more powerful than the HoT, that he was on a nexus and quickly recovering, and that the HoT was weakened twicefold from having to fight an army and the nexus itself, it's pretty plausible he'd be the weaker Force user here.

Tbh at this distance (circa 18 feet) Maul cuts him down.

Unless someone can provide speed feats for Vitiate that compare to Maul's?

Maul sabers throws.

Yeah, that would work.

Valkorion, who is definitely comparable to novel Vitiate, can block lightsabers with little to no effort indefinitely, and definitely has the power to back up taking Maul out with one attack. Thread is beyond ridiculous.

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At what speed he was blocking those saber strikes?

The kind where the guy swinging is trying to kill him.

LOL

Is the guy swinging comparable to Maul speed-wise? If not, not sure why you brought it up.

Originally posted by Stigma
At what speed he was blocking those saber strikes?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The kind where the guy swinging is trying to kill him.

Spoiler:
Nice job not answering the question given that Arcann was slowly striking him ANH style.

So you want to argue ANH doesn't accurately portray the speed of Vader but the cut scenes accurately portray the speed of Arcann?

How fast is Arcann? Comparable to Maul?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So you want to argue ANH doesn't accurately portray the speed of Vader but the cut scenes accurately portray the speed of Arcann?

I mean if we want to go OOU, ANH has clear production limitations that don't really apply to TOR. The in-universe explanation is that Arcann was stalling anyway.