recent feats--marvel vs dc

Started by carver97 pages

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol She Hulk.

Next it will be ten Warpaths.

Edit: not quite sure Carver understands the arguments here.

'Marvel characters don't have as high showings as DC characters'

Carver: I'll post showings of Marvel characters. RELATIVE to other Marvel characters, to prove.....their superiority over DC?

It's like saying you're the fastest man in the world...but even then you'd still be a snail next to the SSC.

I understand what he's saying but one high showing doesn't justify the many tbh. I'm posting fts. I hope people just don't post a single ft answering Leo question. I understand you questioning the She Hulk scan but the rest are solid.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Contrast and compare:

Thor/Iron Man/Hulk/Cap America/Spiderman

Superman/WW/Batman/GL/Flash

The gap between their showings is clear I took these as the top five from each company in terms of branding


Jane Thor showings is up there. Unworthy Thor has been depowered for like 4 years, but had some crazy fts in his short mini.

Hulk has been out for like 2 years and change? Chulk has had some crazy ones.

Cap is constantly out. And haven't really followed.

Who's Spiderman? 😛

Current Surfer run since 2014 has had some crazy ones. Just not well publicized. Surfer fans seem to post then leave for quite a bit.

The fate of the world lies on your shoulders...

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18002024/Uncanny_Avengers_017-003.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18002061/Uncanny_Avengers_017-009.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/18002028/Uncanny_Avengers_017-011.jpg.html

We know Dark rep DC so why doesn't he just post the showings to make the thread entertaining.

It's only perception.

If we had hardcore Surfer or Jane Thor fans here, you'd think they are Skyfather level based on their feats.

Remember my constant masturbation during God of Thunder? Even Galan was whipping out the lotion.

actually carv if you'd been following the ownage thread (where the discussion started) i expressly mentioned hulk as the only character i feel was keeping pace with the scaling power levels in dc... your scans are proving my point regarding him, and tbh i'm surprised by the utter lack of defense being marshaled by marvel fans in general. i was willing to be proven wrong, but maybe even entrenched marvel fans agree that dc's staple characters have definitively surpassed marvel's. /shrug

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's only perception.

If we had hardcore Surfer or Jane Thor fans here, you'd think they are Skyfather level based on their feats.

Remember my constant masturbation during God of Thunder? Even Galan was whipping out the lotion.


You're saying that like you don't believe Thor is a skyfather.

Originally posted by leonidas
actually carv if you'd been following the ownage thread (where the discussion started) i expressly mentioned hulk as the only character i feel was keeping pace with the scaling power levels in dc... your scans are proving my point regarding him, and tbh i'm surprised by the utter lack of defense being marshaled by marvel fans in general. i was willing to be proven wrong, but maybe even entrenched marvel fans agree that dc's staple characters have definitively surpassed marvel's. /shrug

I don't think anyone particularly cares as much at the moment unfortunately. For example, Carver is repping Hulk strong, but Hulk's feats kind of pale in comparison to what Surfer has been up to.

I recommend reading the current Thor books and Silver Surfer's run. It's littered with feats on par with anything DC has been doing if what you're basing it on is character ownage.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't think anyone particularly cares as much at the moment unfortunately. For example, Carver is repping Hulk strong, but Hulk's feats kind of pale in comparison to what Surfer has been up to.

I recommend reading the current Thor books and Silver Surfer's run. It's littered with feats on par with anything DC has been doing if what you're basing it on is character ownage.

What has Surfer done?

Hard on space cheese, less than flattering showings against named characters though.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's only perception.

If we had hardcore Surfer or Jane Thor fans here, you'd think they are Skyfather level based on their feats.

Remember my constant masturbation during God of Thunder? Even Galan was whipping out the lotion.

hmm not too sure of that. Janes has some good feats but ss? What’s he done exactly? And Jane isn’t exactly what I’d call a staple character even though she is taking over for Thor. Feels like Thor himself is going in the wrong direction...

This thread is for recent feats specifically. But are we just resigned to weighting older feats far less, even if they're still in canon? Stretch far enough back, and, for example, the Surfer discussion becomes moot. Even without recent feats, his past space cheese and highest showings equals the most ludicrous of any of the characters being discussed.

I always sort of knew I was in the minority by counting older stuff equal to recent feats, but I think the hardcore recency bias is a problem unto itself. Just statistically, if you only focus on a smaller chunk of time, the fluctuations will be wilder. Like a stock that averages 7% gains per year, but you're looking at month-to-month. Because chances are the pendulum will swing the other way at some point, or DC will plateau, etc. So in terms of griping about these things, widening our gaze might help immensely.

/srug

So from what I've gathered by the wealth of information in this thread is that leo f*cking hates DC.

...mmm

Originally posted by Digi
This thread is for recent feats specifically. But are we just resigned to weighting older feats far less, even if they're still in canon? Stretch far enough back, and, for example, the Surfer discussion becomes moot. Even without recent feats, his past space cheese and highest showings equals the most ludicrous of any of the characters being discussed.

I always sort of knew I was in the minority by counting older stuff equal to recent feats, but I think the hardcore recency bias is a problem unto itself. Just statistically, if you only focus on a smaller chunk of time, the fluctuations will be wilder. Like a stock that averages 7% gains per year, but you're looking at month-to-month. Because chances are the pendulum will swing the other way at some point, or DC will plateau, etc. So in terms of griping about these things, widening our gaze might help immensely.

/srug

The thing is, he really doesn't.

You can take out Hal out of the discussion, and GLs would still at the very least match any Silver Surfer feat.

Jessica, the noobest of Green Lanterns, has feats just in the last two years that match Surfer's best space cheese.

And Hal is basically at least a tier above any of the Green Lanterns that match Surfer's feats.

^ Yeah, Hal is easily a solid tier above any other GL, tbh.

Kyle's reaction immediately after donning Hal's ring is indicative of such:

"Jesus. Is this how it feels to be you?"

...Never mind the fact that he could barely even manage to contain the ring's power.

@Phil ^^ I'd disagree, at least in reference to non-Hal stuff, and would say that that's some of the recency bias at work that I mentioned. For quite a while after I joined these boards, Surfer was widely considered to be the upper limit of his tier, with the widest array of versatility feats (by miles) and raw power feats that - while they might not have surpassed the GLs, Thors, and Supermans of the tier - held their own with them.

But that's a really hard debate to settle definitively, because how do you analyze it? I don't have a horse in the race ideologically, but would want some sort of objectivity. We'd devolve into posting entire respect threads and attempting to assign point values or something. How do you quantify a power level of someone who has dozens of unquantifiably powerful, nigh-abstract feats across decades of comics? Or weight them against more subtle versatility feats that not all could accomplish. You can't, and that's sort of the point.

Originally posted by Philosophía
The thing is, he really doesn't.

You can take out Hal out of the discussion, and GLs would still at the very least match any Silver Surfer feat.

Jessica, the noobest of Green Lanterns, has feats just in the last two years that match Surfer's best space cheese.

And Hal is basically at least a tier above any of the Green Lanterns that match Surfer's feats.

Jessica tanked a big bang too?

Originally posted by Digi
@Phil ^^ I'd disagree, at least in reference to non-Hal stuff, and would say that that's some of the recency bias at work that I mentioned. For quite a while after I joined these boards, Surfer was widely considered to be the upper limit of his tier, with the widest array of versatility feats (by miles) and raw power feats that - while they might not have surpassed the GLs, Thors, and Supermans of the tier - held their own with them.

But that's a really hard debate to settle definitively, because how do you analyze it? I don't have a horse in the race ideologically, but would want some sort of objectivity. We'd devolve into posting entire respect threads and attempting to assign point values or something. How do you quantify a power level of someone who has dozens of unquantifiably powerful, nigh-abstract feats across decades of comics? Or weight them against more subtle versatility feats that not all could accomplish. You can't, and that's sort of the point.

It'd be easy to quantify it if you'd give me something that Surfer has done of raw power, that no GL has been capable of doing. Because what you're doing here is going by reputation, which is the only thing Surfer has, and it was such a Marvel echo-chamber that people took it for granted.

Say..5 feats under his own power, out of like a thousand appearances, that GLs can not match, excluding Hal Jordan entirely. That's more than reasonable.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Jessica tanked a big bang too?
No, but neither did Surfer.

Explain

@Phil - Off the top of my head? Channeling the Crunch to decimate Tenebrous/Aegis, that time he evolved the biology of an entire planet's species billions of years in like a single panel (he's got a few that are similar, too, of creating life ex nihilo), or the residual energies from his fight with Morg destroying multiple planets. He's also got matter manipulation feats that outstrip most GLs, like when he remade Stormbreaker. Or on durability, he's gone surfing in supernovas, using the explosion as propulsion, multiple times (for fun, it should be noted). He's also existed without a physical body, fwiw.

His historic versatility is just silly as well. He could enter or exit the microverse at will then become an astral projection, shape shift into an old lady, then follow the movement of a dust mote from light years away. And that's again just from memory.

Thor's fight with Mercy alone is another good example of this. Obviously he's taken a gut punch in recent years, but his historic best is comparable to anyone's who doesn't transcend into abstract godhood.

I feel like you're missing my point by pulling into a "show me the feats" war. Maybe a handful of GLs have better feats, and maybe you aren't really counting the versatility stuff that isn't over 9000, so to speak. But that list is like 1/30 of his best feats. So I won't argue with you if you just disagree, full stop. I don't care enough to parse them out any further. But you start splitting hairs after a certain point and unless we grant abstract status to heralds, there's just going to be several that exist in that upper strata, give or take small degrees of power.