recent feats--marvel vs dc

Originally posted by One Big Mob
So your argument is that the big bang is actually nothing because the words potential were used? Also the two halves weren't directed at Surfer in case the initial blast was actually something?
Seems you have your bases covered.

You realize creating all matter and energy includes creating other forms of energy, correct? That doesn't mean that the initial blast for whatever reason didn't contain energy, it means that it contained all the matter and energy to form other forms of matter. You need an immense release of energy to accomplish this in the first place. You know this too. And every showing of the big bang showed an explosion of energy, or an explosion of something.

The fact that "big bang" was used more than once to describe this phenomenon shows it was an explosion, and it was likened to how Earth scientists describe the big bang, which means it's as we define it, as opposed to a... silent expanse?

This part here, Bran:

The fact that "big bang" was used more than once to describe this phenomenon shows it was an explosion, and it was likened to how Earth scientists describe the big bang, which means it's as we define it, as opposed to a... silent expanse?

Wait, wait, wait...Hold on.
I think I figured it out. Why you don't see it.
You do KNOW that the Big-Bang isn't an ACTUAL explosion, right? That it's just space expanding in non-space/time? In fact, the Universe is expanding right now, second by second. It's filling up, for a lack of a better word, nothingness.

You're imagining dynamite, when it's actually a balloon with points on it, expanding into nothingness (as in, literal nothingness. It's not even space. Space/time doesn't exist outside the Universe), and the points getting further away.

It's dilatation, if it helps for a clear visualization.

Before you do anything read this, because otherwise you won't understand what I'm explaining:
https://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/relativity-space-astronomy-and-cosmology/history-of-the-universe/big-bang-expansion-not-explosion/

We know for a fact that the Universe was a Void only with potential matter/energy, but at that point not materialized.

So you have Surfer sitting with Galactus's ship as an empty void of potential energy is expanding around him, and you take that as...a durability feat? I can't understand how the presentation of the scene didn't tip you off that Surfer literally wasn't hit with anything. He was surrounded by empty space spreading at rapid rate.

Surfer was basically standing dead-center in an empty balloon that was expanding around him.

But seriously, read that shit. I think by the end of it, you'll agree with me that....you didn't really see the big bang in the way it is. Look at it explained from the point of kinetic energy, laws of physics etc...to understand that 'being hit by space expanding' is idiotic.

I went to Twitter to ask Dan Slott hos intentions, and he closed it because he waa getting hit with too many anti SJW comments 😂

Originally posted by Damborgson
I went to Twitter to ask Dan Slott hos intentions, and he closed it because he waa getting hit with too many anti SJW comments 😂

It's hard to understand how the Universe is space/time expanding into a place where there's no time and space, I guess, and seeing how this can't be interpreted in any way as something 'hitting you' - especially when you haven't looked into it.

https://www.livescience.com/32278-was-the-big-bang-really-an-explosion.html

Though to some, the question of whether there was an explosion is just semantics.

"I think anything that starts out at 10 to the 40th degrees, and is doubling in size every tiny, tiny fraction of a second – I think you'd want to call that an explosion," Albrecht said. "But it has different features than someone setting off a bomb in the desert."

What are we arguing here? The comic depicted it as an explosion. Lol. Now he did endure the big bang, but it's not really a violent explosion...
And I'm pretty sure big bang in comics tend to be depicted as some massive genesis explosion of sorts. Take Imperiex depiction for example.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
He's overpowered infinite time loops

Is that what we are calling it now? He made a new choice of taking the ring from Dawn and Never Queen let him go.

, split Howard casually from the Nexus of Realities (though he still shared a psychic link),

He also got stomped by Collector in the same issue.

casually manipulated a cosmic storm that was going to destroy a planet,

He's done ok for himself. He just doesn't fight that often, or in fights people want him to when he's traveling never before seen planets.

I'm ok. How about yourself?

He struggled with Thing, got stomped by Collector and was totally ineffectual against Fury with a Watcher power even with him going all out.

Looks like classic Surfer to me.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
What are we arguing here? The comic depicted it as an explosion. Lol. Now he did endure the big bang, but it's not really a violent explosion...
And I'm pretty sure big bang in comics tend to be depicted as some massive genesis explosion of sorts. Take Imperiex depiction for example.

"He took an explosion. Not just a violent one".

ermm

Originally posted by Philosophía
I just logged in to see how much you typed, but since it's short on what to address, I'll just point out the following (maybe I'll get back to the time-travel tomorrow, but it's pretty useless and a tangential part of the argument anyway)

This part here, Bran:

Wait, wait, [b]wait...Hold on.
I think I figured it out. Why you don't see it.
You do KNOW that the Big-Bang isn't an ACTUAL explosion, right? That it's just space expanding in non-space/time? In fact, the Universe is expanding right now, second by second. It's filling up, for a lack of a better word, nothingness.

You're imagining dynamite, when it's actually a balloon with points on it, expanding into nothingness (as in, literal nothingness. It's not even space. Space/time doesn't exist outside the Universe), and the points getting further away.

It's dilatation, if it helps for a clear visualization.

Before you do anything read this, because otherwise you won't understand what I'm explaining:
https://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/relativity-space-astronomy-and-cosmology/history-of-the-universe/big-bang-expansion-not-explosion/

We know for a fact that the Universe was a Void only with potential matter/energy, but at that point not materialized.

So you have Surfer sitting with Galactus's ship as an empty void of potential energy is expanding around him, and you take that as...a durability feat? I can't understand how the presentation of the scene didn't tip you off that Surfer literally wasn't hit with anything. He was surrounded by empty space spreading at rapid rate.

Surfer was basically standing dead-center in an empty balloon that was expanding around him.

But seriously, read that shit. I think by the end of it, you'll agree with me that....you didn't really see the big bang in the way it is. Look at it explained from the point of kinetic energy, laws of physics etc...to understand that 'being hit by space expanding' is idiotic. [/B]

"The Big Bang was an expansion of space, not like an explosion at all, despite what countless books, videos, articles and statements (even by scientists) often depict. Let’s look at the differences between an explosion of something into space versus an expansion of space."

IE, what we're discussing. Where do you think Slott gets his information from when he depicts it as an explosion twice in a comic? Do you think Slott has time to look into white male theories when he has women to defend on Twitter? Not to mention this guy strongly disagrees with the "cosmic egg" theory, something that Dan Slutts depicted, and something that is pretty much a constant in Marvel. Hell, any Phoenix fan will go in depth on this topic. Here's one quote from your boy that pretty much tells us that Don Slotts was NOT following this theory:
"So if people tells you that the universe started in such and such a way, perhaps “with a singularity” or “with a quantum fluctuation out of nothing” or “in the Big Crunch (i.e. the collapse) of a previous phase of the universe”, remember that they’re telling you about the red zone. They’re neglecting to tell you that what they’re saying is pure theory, with neither an experiment to back it up nor a clear theoretical reason to believe their suggestion is unique and preferable over someone else’s alternative."

In other words, we are clearly not dealing with what your link says. However, that's not what Bran does. I will take your argument into consideration, but I will present to you what happened if Surfer were released to a wave of expansion. Please note that in the article you presented, he is only talking about objects theoretically created in the expanse. He however has a quote in the inflation article that outright says anything existing before would be pulled apart and swept out to sea. Among other things.

"How insane is this rate of expansion? A patch of the universe no larger than your computer screen expanded to the size of the observable patch of the universe, or larger, in less than the time it takes for a quark to cross from one side of proton to the other. I won’t even bother to tell you the numbers, partly because we don’t actually know how long inflation lasted, but also the numbers are too big in size and too small in time for humans to think about them. Basically, a giant chunk of universe was created from a tiny one almost instantaneously."

"Anything which might have been there before inflation started would have been pulled apart and dragged to great distances in an instant."

"Fig. 3: Since dark energy, unlike ordinary materials, does not become diluted as space expands, but remains constantly dense, the grey region continues to expand. By now all but one of the green and red dots has receded from view. Whatever the temperature of the expanding region was to start with, it is becoming extremely cold [more precisely, as cold as is possible under the circumstances]."

"Doesn’t that incredible expansion mean that things moved apart faster than the speed of light … the universal speed limit?

Yes it does."

"But dark matter annihilation or decay would typically produce as many positrons as electrons, and with the same energies; and the typical energy would be comparable to or a bit lower than the mass-energy of the dark matter particles. So if dark matter annihilation or decay is occurring, then, at energies near to (but below) the mass-energy of dark matter particles, the positron fraction might begin to grow larger, instead of smaller, with increasing energy."
*This is a theory he was pondering, but the important part is he confirms that dark matter has some sort of weight*

Anyway, if we follow Matt's theory, and combine it with the fact that everything expanded outwards from the egg, as well as showing energy rushing outwards and encompassing Surfer, then that means enough dark matter to expand the universe at many times the speed of light blew up expanded in his face when they should have pulled him apart and tossed him quite a ways away.

Either way, it's an alright feat.

Yeah guy, Silver Surfer tanked a big bang. Never think otherwise.

Forget the context. It's totally tanking big bang. Just like that one time Blastaar and Thing tanked big bang.

👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

"He took an explosion. Not just a violent one".

ermm

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
What's next? His silvery skin took the brunt of it, his meat never endured anything?

Yo man, Kyle Rayner contains a big bang.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/93477/1874255-1399652_supermanv2173pg14_super.jpg

But man, that's not even close to Surfer taking a peaceful explosion, ain't it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Is that what we are calling it now? He made a new choice of taking the ring from Dawn and Never Queen let him go.

He also got stomped by Collector in the same issue.
There was nothing casual about it. The storm was draining him until Groot shorted it out with a wire (lol) and Surfer channeled it in the earth.
He flew in the past but yes it was impressive.
Most impressive thing he did. The heart looked different from user to user. Dawn saw it as a toy monkey.
Who was weakened due to using his life force to track Surfer.

That's just slapstick comedy.
That's not what happened. He blasted them away but there was no indication that they were koed or anything.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ns2XefQSiJY/WZRY_HBO5LI/AAAAAAAArJ0/6Joh2cOL3uYadhBbYiPInyxPoJ7WSib1ACLcBGAs/s1600/023_0015.jpg

He was struggling with Thing alone in that issue.

He fought the spirit of a planet and he did that.

He struggled with Thing, got stomped by Collector and was totally ineffectual against Fury with a Watcher power even with him going all out.

Looks like classic Surfer to me.

Because it wasn't possible for him to break the time loop without being full power. Surfer had to be powerful enough to create that possibility. Without his full power, the Never Queen was out of reach. She didn't do shit.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HNeWRj59fZo/VoSjeCUVhbI/AAAAAAAAOkQ/vTw8SLSXHwY/s1600-Ic42/RCO002.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Wncy6cbTP98/VoSjhAJQDWI/AAAAAAAAOkQ/9ZkqfpGXplI/s1600-Ic42/RCO013.jpg

"Create a new possibility, will it into being!"
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HXNdPSdw6KE/VoSjoUOLCZI/AAAAAAAAOkQ/1C75zYgstnw/s1600-Ic42/RCO039.jpg

You realize by saying he got stomped by Collector you are ignoring the feat right? This is the exact issue Leo has in this thread. That no matter how powerful DC heroes become, someone will come along to stomp them.
Besides, he had to distract them anyway (The girl gets her full power from a statue that Surfer left for Alicia that held a part of his power)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/4BJOuOHfWfg91HS3sEcxnbg7fHxw-QeGFAsxLA4hqfw5qJtJTKByjRP6BSh9JmQfcPSmuYF1LDVD=s1600

So... the issue is he still did the feat. Collector had to blast him in the back.

Um yeah, it was pretty casual
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/UiwXPvnd_VxGMwbot1U79LB_tVZewtQUjpMR7KLXSV4wTYd66FPTFv7VnDj_J0nO4pALaqw2H__f=s1600
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Then some parasite that drinks suns attaches itself to Surfer, but the fact remains that had the parasite not existed, he dealt with that storm pretty easily. Then he manipulates the storm again while getting drained to help defeat the being with help from Groot
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/ajgs5G8XcrV37m67hCWl34pMf96ig27rNfxbaHBq5mjJrlSwGIA7J5IcuoJi_bFAomILVbId2y7j=s1600
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You'll note I didn't say he beat the parasite easily. You'll note I only spoke of the storm. IE, nice lowball.

Didn't you just try to lowball Surfer losing to the Collector when he previously gave Howard the Duck enough power to seemingly hurt the Collector?
Anyway, he said he cannibalized his engines and drew on his life force. Which would imply he shortened his own life. It was not stated it weakened him, as we don't know how his powers work. However, a couple issues earlier, we have Surfer getting his life force drained by many parasites.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/eP1_ktxEDbuBEYZnCiF8UFaJdlb1a_HMHEOXZeuJiyEeEm_aSNEMToWRa5tBQ3--llyy8qlI3As6=s1600

So like I said, it took years off his life, not power out of him. Unless Surfer was also weakened the rest of the series. Not that I care, but it's funny that this exists.

Oh right, it doesn't count because it was a funny comic. Remind me to bump Lobo threads.

I never said they were KO'ed. I said he overpowered them. Right after that he pulled off his machine feat.

And he also one punched Thing before when he was more serious. Anyway, he had created two rings at the time. As we saw before, one ring was the difference between being trapped in an infinite time loop and breaking through one. Either way, good feat for Ben.

The Watcher Fury happened though. No idea what relevance it has, but sure. I'm glad you were here to just spout a bunch of "low feats" because how dare I name Surfer feats. 👆

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Originally posted by One Big Mob
Imagine my surprise 😂

Mine too.

Because it wasn't possible for him to break the time loop without being full power. Surfer had to be powerful enough to create that possibility. Without his full power, the Never Queen was out of reach. She didn't do shit.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HNeWRj59fZo/VoSjeCUVhbI/AAAAAAAAOkQ/vTw8SLSXHwY/s1600-Ic42/RCO002.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Wncy6cbTP98/VoSjhAJQDWI/AAAAAAAAOkQ/9ZkqfpGXplI/s1600-Ic42/RCO013.jpg

"Create a new possibility, will it into being!"
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HXNdPSdw6KE/VoSjoUOLCZI/AAAAAAAAOkQ/1C75zYgstnw/s1600-Ic42/RCO039.jpg

Yes, he created a new possibility. It wasn't about full power, Surfer was already at full power. He just made a different choice when he took the ring from Dawn.

It was just a time loop where everyone was doing repeatedly and when Surfer changed his action it was broken. That's it. Surfer wasn't even aware that he was in a time loop. He was busy creating a space warp.

You realize by saying he got stomped by Collector you are ignoring the feat right? This is the exact issue Leo has in this thread. That no matter how powerful DC heroes become, someone will come along to stomp them.
Besides, he had to distract them anyway (The girl gets her full power from a statue that Surfer left for Alicia that held a part of his power)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/4BJOuOHfWfg91HS3sEcxnbg7fHxw-QeGFAsxLA4hqfw5qJtJTKByjRP6BSh9JmQfcPSmuYF1LDVD=s1600

Collector got stomped by Howard and manhandled by unworthy Thor.

Even both combined had no effect on collector.

http://postimg.org/image/1ce3lh9bcb/

So... the issue is he still did the feat. Collector had to blast him in the back.

Seriously?

Um yeah, it was pretty casual
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Oh you are talking about the storm. Yes, it was cool but not that noteworthy.

Then some parasite that drinks suns attaches itself to Surfer, but the fact remains that had the parasite not existed, he dealt with that storm pretty easily. Then he manipulates the storm again while getting drained to help defeat the being with help from Groot
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/ajgs5G8XcrV37m67hCWl34pMf96ig27rNfxbaHBq5mjJrlSwGIA7J5IcuoJi_bFAomILVbId2y7j=s1600
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Parasites drinking suns isn't that hard to beat. Superman once defeated an entire planet that eats suns with just freeze breath.

But hey, you think that's a good feat for Surfer, go ahead.

You'll note I didn't say he beat the parasite easily. You'll note I only spoke of the storm. IE, nice lowball.

Oh right.

Didn't you just try to lowball Surfer losing to the Collector when he previously gave Howard the Duck enough power to seemingly hurt the Collector?

The Watcher Fury happened though. No idea what relevance it has, but sure. I'm glad you were here to just spout a bunch of "low feats" because how dare I name Surfer feats. 👆

I am not seeing any excuses for Surfer's excellent performance against Fury. Come on bran.

It's just that Surfer is always good on space cheese but fizzles out whenever it comes to beating characters.

And I'm also glad you were here to correct these low showings. How can Surfer failing to affect a Watcher not be a low showing or struggling against Thing. It's not like he was historically always doing that.

Oh wait...

Originally posted by One Big Mob
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Mine too.

Yes, he created a new possibility. It wasn't about full power, Surfer was already at full power. He just made a different choice when he took the ring from Dawn.

It was just a time loop where everyone was doing repeatedly and when Surfer changed his action it was broken. That's it. Surfer wasn't even aware that he was in a time loop. He was busy creating a space warp.

And he created a new possibility because he now had the power to accomplish it.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Lp8Ma4XA_QM/VoSjnbcRJwI/AAAAAAAAOkQ/LvMJBbnYUPs/s1600-Ic42/RCO036.jpg

Without additional power he could have never accomplished the feat since he went out every single other time. Add some more power, and suddenly he does it.

Never Queen even tells him he has to will it into being. It was all Surfer. You do not see Never Queen help him. Just because it exists in infinite possibilities, it doesn't mean it doesn't count when he did it himself.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HXNdPSdw6KE/VoSjoUOLCZI/AAAAAAAAOkQ/1C75zYgstnw/s1600-Ic42/RCO039.jpg

Surfer was creating the possibility and willing it into being.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Parasites drinking suns isn't that hard to beat. Superman once defeated an entire planet that eats suns with just freeze breath.

But hey, you think that's a good feat for Surfer, go ahead.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh right.
That was just Howard with the power of the nexus.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Drawing from life force does not shorten your life span. It drains you. What kind of logic is that?

Seriously? Where did he took years of his life? Life force equals to age now?

https://imgur.com/a/pOH4o

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ben was disoriented that time.

You're seriously suggesting him creating two rings out of his body dropped him to Thing level power?

I'm pretty sure Thing fans are ecstatic.

No, I'm suggesting his power was lower, and he wasn't trying too hard.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I am not seeing any excuses for Surfer's excellent performance against Fury. Come on bran.

It's just that Surfer is always good on space cheese but fizzles out whenever it comes to beating characters.

And I'm also glad you were here to correct these low showings. How can Surfer failing to affect a Watcher not be a low showing or struggling against Thing. It's not like he was historically always doing that.

Oh wait...

Originally posted by One Big Mob

But anyway, we were told what would happen if Surfer ran into it anyway:

Jeez. I never noticed that. 👆

Originally posted by One Big Mob
And he created a new possibility because he now had the power to accomplish it.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Lp8Ma4XA_QM/VoSjnbcRJwI/AAAAAAAAOkQ/LvMJBbnYUPs/s1600-Ic42/RCO036.jpg

Without additional power he could have never accomplished the feat since he went out every single other time. Add some more power, and suddenly he does it.

Never Queen even tells him he has to will it into being. It was all Surfer. You do not see Never Queen help him. Just because it exists in infinite possibilities, it doesn't mean it doesn't count when he did it himself.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HXNdPSdw6KE/VoSjoUOLCZI/AAAAAAAAOkQ/1C75zYgstnw/s1600-Ic42/RCO039.jpg

Surfer was creating the possibility and willing it into being

Damn, that's pretty impressive. Surfer slowly racking up some STUPID feats.

We need to reopen the Thor vs. Surfer thread. For the first time in their history, I think Surfer would take the majority at the moment.

*SOBS*

Well, for two more months anyways.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You can always say that. After all it was only a peaceful explosion. Non violent even.

What exactly is a peaceful explosion?

Originally posted by One Big Mob
And he created a new possibility because he now had the power to accomplish it.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Lp8Ma4XA_QM/VoSjnbcRJwI/AAAAAAAAOkQ/LvMJBbnYUPs/s1600-Ic42/RCO036.jpg

Eh? You're twisting the whole scene. Surfer and Dawn were trapped in a place where there were no possibilities and no future.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hBXAbKb7avA/VUDizlq4G0I/AAAAAAALLlo/d1tVVlAex6U/s1600/p12_1%2Bcopy.jpg

That's why when Surfer took his ring from Dawn, he chose a new action and it created new pathways for them.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2M4m04xuKV8/VUDi-GsMcZI/AAAAAAALLog/zsvt5a2LzEM/s1600/p12_35.jpg

And where new pathways were created, Never Queen is present as she is the embodiment of the future.

This helped Surfer to create the space warp.

Without additional power he could have never accomplished the feat since he went out every single other time. Add some more power, and suddenly he does it.

You're hilariously unable to read the scene. It wasn't about power. Surfer already had the power to create the space warp which is what he did in the end as well. He was living in the loop because he was afraid to take any new action and repeating the same thing again and again.

Never Queen even tells him he has to will it into being. It was all Surfer. You do not see Never Queen help him. Just because it exists in infinite possibilities, it doesn't mean it doesn't count when he did it himself.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HXNdPSdw6KE/VoSjoUOLCZI/AAAAAAAAOkQ/1C75zYgstnw/s1600-Ic42/RCO039.jpg

Yes, he created the space warp. That's what he did to transport the refugees.

It got nothing to do with power though.

Surfer was creating the possibility and willing it into being.

And what does that has to do with power? He only created a space warp. The possibility was Surfer choosing a different action than before.

No, maybe not, but the thing materialized on top of Surfer, and he still had enough energy to manipulate a planetary storm. Superman flew into the Sun Eaters brain when it wasn't fighting him.

He brought down lightning to short circuit the parasite.

I'm talking about cannibal planet (who was devouring actual sun) rather than simple boasting from a random parasite with nothing to back it up.

Sun Eaters? Forget about that.

http://i68.tinypic.com/124d0jo.jpg

https://imgur.com/a/pOH4o

And? Making collector "nngh" is supposed to be such a big deal?

And Surfer was giving his life force too which is great enough for him to live for centuries.

Ben was laying on the ground into the next comic.

And then out fought Surfer in that comic.

No, I'm suggesting his power was lower, and he wasn't trying too hard.

He was actually trying to save Earth and even apologized to Ben for doing it so quickly.

Nice excuse you got there.

Why would I have to make up stuff? I never said he was perfect, I said he was doing decent things. I just decided to answer Darth's post as he did mine.

You don't say.

Next time I'll be sure to include his worst feats in that timeframe for no reason. I'm sure you enjoy when Carver does that. 👆

Never change bran. Still twisting straight up scenes to suit your agenda.