I'd like to clear up the matter of the ship comparison before moving onto the rest.
Originally posted by The EllimistWhat does this have to do with their respective thrust? You need to provide evidence that thrust increased so dramatically over the years that the thrust of a tiny, lightweight starfighter that could easily fit inside the cargo hold of the drop ship in question is flat out superior and producing more overall force. I mean, I think Occam’s Razor dictates holding back a drop ship is better than holding back a starfighter, but I know how much you enjoy squirming.
1. The thrust of a ~1 BBY tie fighter vs. the thrust of a ship much larger...but literally >4,000 years more primitive. Given that in the few decades between TCW and ANH almost all of the Republic fleet's ships had become obsolete, and by LotF even imperial era tech was considered "ancient hardware" by Caedus.
Originally posted by The EllimistNot sure how to make this more simple for you, squirmy squirmerson. In TFU II example, SK powers up the engines, Vader grips the ship, SK hits the thrust, for an instant there’s a struggle, then the ship rapes Vader’s TK and leaves. As for how near Vader is… he’s right next to the ship. SK knocks over a nearby tower ontop of some stormies, Vader “with surprising speed” is coming through the wreckage in pursuit. This being before SK is even in the ship.
3. How fast and far away Starkiller's tie fighter is vs. how fast and far away the Razor is by the time they are being pulled, given that the Razor from the context that you provided seemed to still be inside some sort of structure while it's unclear how far away Starkiller's tie fighter was.
He reached out with his hands and flexed his will. The Force responded, swelling and rising in him like an invisible muscle. A nearby communications tower groaned and twisted. Sparks flew. He wrenched the tower down and sideways, sweeping it over the platform, knocking the AT-STs into the ocean and crushing the stormtroopers gathering to rush him.Something exploded-a generator, pushed far beyond its capacity. Through the exploding shell of shrapnel stalked a black figure holding a red lightsaber. Vader was moving with surprising speed.
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The starfighter behind him was unharmed by the devastation he had wrought. Starkiller ran to it and leapt inside. He worked its familiar controls with confident speed, activating systems still warm from its last flight. [1]Its ion engines snarled.[2]An invisible fist gripped the starfighter. [3]Starkiller increased the thrust. His determination met Darth Vader's rage, and [4]for an instant he was unsure which would win.
[5]Then all resistance fell away, and the TIE fighter leapt for the sky.
Now for the Malgus example. Unlike in the SK example, the drop ship is already in the air making an exit, drawing on the power of it’s thrusters, before Malgus does anything. You’ll note that Malgus busts into the hangar and see’s the ship, some distance away, leaving. As established before, he provides it with far more strain than did Vader the TIE fighter.
Aryn watched the Dragonfly lift off, missing Zeerid already.
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Malgus rushed through the large double doors and into the landing bay. Vrath Xizor’s ship, Razor, rose on its thrusters toward the open roof doors. Two Imperial shuttles sat idle on the landing pad.“Eleena!” he shouted, hating himself for his vulnerability but unable to contain the shout.
He reached out with the Force as Razor continued its rise, tried to take it in his mental grasp. Its ascent slowed. He held forth both of his arms, made claws of his hands, and shouted with frustration as he sought to hold back the power of the ship’s thrusters.
He felt a tightness in his mind, the string of his power being drawn taut, stretching, stretching. He would not release the ship. Its thrusters began to whine. He held it, teeth gritted, sweat soaking his body, his breath a dry rattle through his respirator.
And then the string snapped and the ship flew free, lifting clear of the roof doors.
Let’s do a tally of factors in favour of Malgus, and in favour of Vader:
+ Malgus’ ship was ridiculously larger
+ It was already moving before he slowed it down, the TIE fighter was only powering up it’s engines when Vader gripped it
+ Malgus was further away than Vader from their respective ships
+ Malgus’ power didn’t get instantly raped by the engines
+ Malgus is due to receive a monumental increase in power, whereas Vader is 16 years older in this example than he is in this thread, where his powers and adaptation to the suit were in their earliest stage
+ Elm the squirming microbe believes this is all just too ambiguous to draw any useful data from. His example with Anakin jumping off his speeder and Aryn fighting terminal velocity(?) was fine and dandy though, nothing nebulous there.
Originally posted by The EllimistSmells like desperation and conjecture to me. If you can justify any of this let me know, though. Also not sure why you’d be citing such grand feats for 1. A character that isn’t Vader and 2. Feats taking place 16 years later from the Vader in this thread.
4. Whether Vader allowed Starkiller to escape, given that other Legends material reveals that the events of TFU II were at least in part a test for the dark apprentice.
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5. The fact that more pro-Vader assumptions better reconciles with evidence from the same plot given that Starkiller can blast apart frigates and ragdoll several hundred meter long Tantive IV's, but doesn't just ragdoll Vader, who according to you is like millions of times less powerful.