Captain America vs Superman

Superman wins

He has the experience that Steve does not have. You ca give Steve Superman Powers it doesn’t mean he is Superman’s equal. This is why Superman tends to defeat his supposed “equals” like Zod. Superman has used his powers all his life, he has the experience that you can’t just imbue to others by granting them his powers

If you’re trying to give Steve Superman’s powers, knowledge, and experience, then you’re practically making this a Superman vs Superman (+Steve’s experience).

Anyone else trying to argue otherwise is just being biased.

He doesn't have to be faster than Superman to avoid it. He just need to see Superman try to use it to be able to avoid it.

Here is how I see the fight. It can have a few outcomes, depending on the circumstances around the fight:

Scenario 1: Both have full control of their powers. No sundip allowed. Steve would win due to him outfighting Superman. Would be a good fight.

Scenario 2: Steve have not yet been able to control his powers, no Sundip allowed. Superman wins.

Scenario 3: Superman can sundip, Steve have learned to use his powers to the best of his abilities. Superman should win this one.

Scenario 4: Superman can sundip. Steve have not learned to control his powers. Supes stomps.

Scenario 5: Steve can also sundip (he increase his powers at the same rate as Superman), and have learned to control his powers. Steve should take this in a good fight.

If you saw me about to blow on you (as we're both humans, assume we're equal in stats) how would you avoid it??

If you try ducking, I'll just follow you. At the same speed. Remember, you're not faster than me, and I'm not faster than you.

The problem is first mover advantage. And as you're unable to read my mind, you're not going to be able to react until AFTER I've tried it. Which means you'll never be able to catch up.

Originally posted by Byond
If Steve have learned to utilize his powers to the fullest, and Superman doesn't sundip to increase his speed and strength and durability, Steve would win simply because he is a better and smarter fighter than Superman. If Superman is allowed to sundip,, and Steve have not learned to control the powers he have, he would most certainly win. HV would do jack shit since Cap have his shield. As for FB, wouldn't really matter as Steve can avoid it due to his increased speed.

Superman HVs Cap to oblivion.

Freeze breath is an unfair power.
He would freeze cap and get free hits.

Also experience matters. Superman can multitask his powers. Plus go intangible

Superman still has the advantage. The shield is useless.

Cap shield knocks away any ice, cap throws his shield as hard as he can at Superman, chopping his head off.

Originally posted by carver9
Cap shield knocks away any ice, cap throws his shield as hard as he can at Superman, chopping his head off.

But the ice is all around you. It's not an ice beam. It's cold air.

Scans of Caps shield......knocking air away?? Lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But the ice is all around you. It's not an ice beam. It's cold air.

Scans of Caps shield......knocking air away?? Lol.

Stated on panel that from the time he is conjuring ice breath to the time it hits you, it is about 3 to 4 seconds. With that said, Cap dodges it with ease or he throws his shield at Superman mouth while he is trying to puke up ice breath.

Originally posted by carver9
Stated on panel that from the time he is conjuring ice breath to the time it hits you, it is about 3 to 4 seconds. With that said, Cap dodges it with ease or he throws his shield at Superman mouth while he is trying to puke up ice breath.

Yes, but all I need is one scan right, of it's speed? Interested in your scan,though.

After all, we have this scan:

https://m.imgur.com/zc340aF

Is WW that slow? Three/four seconds yet she didn't move?

Steve wins. Freeze breath has become faster than light for supermans sake now. Lol.

Originally posted by JBL
Steve wins. Freeze breath has become faster than light for supermans sake now. Lol.

Shush you.

Carver is the authority here on WW. He has shown me time and time again that not only is Sacrifice a good representation of WWs abilities, but that she is also as fast as Flash. If not faster.

So if WW is as fast/faster than Flash, and Sacrifice wasn't PIS/jobbing, then Superman being able to freeze her - mid sentence, no less - despite her being more skilled than Superman, AND magical to boot, means that he would have zero problem here freezing Steve.

If you have issue with any of what I have just posted, take it up with Carver.

Originally posted by carver9
Stated on panel that from the time he is conjuring ice breath to the time it hits you, it is about 3 to 4 seconds. With that said, Cap dodges it with ease or he throws his shield at Superman mouth while he is trying to puke up ice breath.

He froze Diana instantly.

Depends entirely on whether Steve gets time to train & get comfortable with his newly acquired abilities. If he does, he curbstomps without question because skill>experience, especially when the skill gap is this astronomically huge. But if he doesn't, then it's a rehash of Zod, where his eyesight and hearing was messed up and hurting his skill advantage, and didn't really know his own strength.

Originally posted by XLR87T3
But if he doesn't, then it's a rehash of Zod, where his eyesight and hearing was messed up and hurting his skill advantage, and didn't really know his own strength.

Did Zod have a skill advantage though? He was handily taken down by a scientist.

Originally posted by gauntlet o doom
Did Zod have a skill advantage though? He was handily taken down by a scientist.

Unless the proposal is that Superman will be heat visioning Steve through Steve's own eyes as he holds him, got to give this to Captain America.

Note how Steve handles himself against an opponent who is faster, stronger, tougher, more armored, AND who has forewarning of when Steve is about to strike even after losing his shield to said opponent (Spider-Man) ...

IronParker versus Rogers

Source: Amazing Spider-Man #534
Circa: September 2006

The SSF grants Cap increased mental processing skills. That’s why he was able to become the premier master in fighting skills within a year or two at most. He would quickly process Superman’s powers and dominate this match-up.

Except he has never shown the ability to master top tier powers in such a short time.

Superman isn't Surfer. Cap will have flight, speed and strength. What is complex about this, lol. You bringing up top tier power doesn't change the fact that the ability he is mastering is basic.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman isn't Surfer. Cap will have flight, speed and strength. What is complex about this, lol. You bringing up top tier power doesn't change the fact that the ability he is mastering is basic.

It's why Superman can easily beat someone like Lor who despite growing up with his power can't' utilize them correctly

What dont you get?